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#76 bbb

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:03 PM

Poll - Who here thinks I'm serious about the Happy Days post? 3 so far, it looks like.

Oh...


And I was serious about living in Mayberry and Bedrock and on The Ponderosa.


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What it looked to me was that you thought I was serious about Happy Days and so mocked me out by using Mayberry and Bedrock.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:18 PM


Poll - Who here thinks I'm serious about the Happy Days post? 3 so far, it looks like.

Oh...


And I was serious about living in Mayberry and Bedrock and on The Ponderosa.


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What it looked to me was that you thought I was serious about Happy Days and so mocked me out by using Mayberry and Bedrock.


Nah...well, maybe kinda. Sorta. A little bit.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:34 PM

One of the reasons that you cant get free abortions in PA is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (yes otherwise known as Obamacare), but in the MAJORITY of states its free. I am sure you can find the exception to any rule. As for spaying and neutering, I used that term as intended. There are many who use abortion as a form of birth control. I think they should be sterilized...like animals. And once again, I am and always have been pro-choice. I do not believe in bringing unwanted children into the world. But as the Smiths said...meat is murder.

And of course, in the end, its all Bush's fault. He is the antichrist responsible for the downfall of western civilization.



Long before "Obamacare" was enacted, PA did not cover abortion for poor women. I know; I worked for the PA Dept. of Welfare.

http://en.wikipedia....States_by_state

"Moreover, due to the Hyde Amendment, many state health programs which poor women rely on for their health care do not cover abortions; currently only 17 states (including California, Illinois and New York) offer or require such coverage.[7]"

Now, I realize I'm an evil and unfunny liberal, but in my evil and unfunny world, a majority (let alone a MAJORITY) isn't 17 out of 50.

Carry on. (P.S. The "rock" music in the fifties until Elvis/Johnny Cash/Jerry Lee Lewis got started...and that wasn't til the mid-fifties. And even then, look at the top radio hits. You'd be listening to all sorts of Pat Boone crap, unless you were cool like me and listening to R&B like Sam Cooke, whose records started coming out in 1957).

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.


 


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:44 PM

P.P.S. If you're bored, check out the financial status and quality of life of African-Americans during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years vs. the present. You'll find more evil, unfunny facts that back up my statement.

Facts: they're GOOD for you. They keep you living in the real world.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:11 PM



Here's the OP question: What would you choose? What year would you prefer...?

It wasn't what would you choose if you were black, etc.


Oh... so if you are black your opinion doesn't count? Or you shouldn't bother considering the social and economic position of women or black people when you voice an opinion on the subject.

I guess if you see the 50s as "Happy Days" that makes sense. For those of us who don't - Heeeeeey - not so much.


Of course, blacks are welcome to their opinion. Have any blacks expressed it here?

Poll - Who here thinks I'm serious about the Happy Days post? 3 so far, it looks like.

(The liberal uptake on the sarcasm is still at it's pitiful levels, I guess. More Judge Browns, please.)


"Or you shouldn't bother considering the social and economic position of women or black people when you voice an opinion on the subject."

Forgot that part eh? And the part about women... and a few of them HAVE voiced their opinion on the subject. The liberal uptake on Archie Bunker attempts at humor does seem to be spot on.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:22 PM

We have access to far more material stuff today, and arguably way more options as well. Whether its television channels or porn, or music, or movies, or what kind of food we want for dinner, or entertainment options - obviously we have the Internet. I think the problem with modern society is we're so used to having all this immediate gratification at our fingertips and being able to upgrade our smartphones every year for more features we probably mostly won't use at all. So we get picky and feel entitled and get annoyed when the GPS stops working properly.

We live longer, we shake off illnesses and survive cripling injuries that would have killed us before. We probably have a little more free time and vacation than our grandparents did. In short, we have it better now.

But I don't know that we are overall happier or more satisfied. I don't know whether watching TV in 2012 is any more exciting or satisfying than it was in 1952 - back then at least it was somewhat novel. Perhaps we used to be more content or maybe we usedto think that being content was a good place to be rather than a sort of unambitious thing to be avoided. We get divorced more now - is that because our marriages are less rewarding, or because we used to put up with more bad stuff? And if they are less rewarding now is that because they are really worse than they used to be, or do we just have unrealistic expectations based on this immediate gratification society we live in?

I do think 2012 is a better time to be different. Whether that means you are an ethnic minority, or you are gay, or you are a a diehard baseball card collector. If anything, we're at a point where individuality is more prized, and conformity is seen as less of a virtue. I'm grateful for that.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:32 PM

"I do think 2012 is a better time to be different. Whether that means you are an ethnic minority, or you are gay, or you are a a diehard baseball card collector. If anything, we're at a point where individuality is more prized, and conformity is seen as less of a virtue. I'm grateful for that."

Well said sir.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:52 PM

If anything, we're at a point where individuality is more prized, and conformity is seen as less of a virtue. I'm grateful for that.


This is a statement that actually interests me. It seems to me that people who claim to be non conformists or individuals these days assemble in large groups to celebrate their non conformity.These are groups of people who look and think alike and tell the world exactly how different they are than the rest of us. They are the ones who are different, because they said so. I look at neighborhoods full of people in Buddy Holly glasses and skinny jeans riding around on bikes talking about their blogs which are dedicated to non conformity.

I just wonder what you see as individuality...because in my day someone like Eldridge Cleaver or Neal Cassady was an individual...because there was NO ONE like them. But they paid dearly for that...I think their reards were great...but they paid. These days I see less and less of people as individuals...they are part of genres...the latest flavor.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:55 PM

P.P.S. If you're bored, check out the financial status and quality of life of African-Americans during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years vs. the present. You'll find more evil, unfunny facts that back up my statement.

Facts: they're GOOD for you. They keep you living in the real world.


Can I paraphrase and say that Bush is responsible for making black people poor? Or could it be ...now just let me throw this out...that in the Clinton years more "stuff" was given to the underpriveleged...like home loans...and the bill (no pun intended) was called in long after Slick Willie pulled out.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:56 PM

This is a statement that actually interests me. It seems to me that people who claim to be non conformists or individuals these days assemble in large groups to celebrate their non conformity.These are groups of people who look and think alike and tell the world exactly how different they are than the rest of us. They are the ones who are different, because they said so.

Like the people claiming they're not "normal" and are "special".
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:59 PM

To me David Bowie was an individual in the 70s coz he was always leading the curve, the punks nothwithstanding, and no one was like him. Or were they? I was only born then and am going on from what I've read and studied.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:06 PM

Enjoy the new 50's while you can coz soon they will be replaced by the 30's.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:24 PM

Red they tried to invade Bryant Park in Midtown manhattan today...the OWS movement...major fail. It was kind of sad. Buncha guys with dirty hair and backpacks walking around looking lost. I felt kinda sorry for them. I had a discount coupon for Starbucks, so i gave it to one of them.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:24 PM

soon they will be replaced by the 30's.


Cool. I'm a big Elliot Ness fan

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:27 PM


soon they will be replaced by the 30's.


Cool. I'm a big Elliot Ness fan


Hmmm... mixed feelings: I like beer. ;)
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:08 AM

"I do think 2012 is a better time to be different. Whether that means you are an ethnic minority, or you are gay, or you are a a diehard baseball card collector. If anything, we're at a point where individuality is more prized, and conformity is seen as less of a virtue. I'm grateful for that."

Well said sir.


I hadn't even thought about that aspect. I don't think I'd have fit smoothly into the 50's world.

People can knock this as phony individualism, but gays and "differently abled" people are better off for sure. Resources for the deaf and the blind are much greater now than they were in the fifties.

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.


 


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:12 AM


P.P.S. If you're bored, check out the financial status and quality of life of African-Americans during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years vs. the present. You'll find more evil, unfunny facts that back up my statement.

Facts: they're GOOD for you. They keep you living in the real world.


Can I paraphrase and say that Bush is responsible for making black people poor? Or could it be ...now just let me throw this out...that in the Clinton years more "stuff" was given to the underpriveleged...like home loans...and the bill (no pun intended) was called in long after Slick Willie pulled out.



Actually, the Clinton years changed AFDC to TANF--the underprivileged "stuff" was reduced. Public assistance peeps didn't get home loans. Sorry.

The reason the financial status and quality of life improved for the underprivileged under Bill Clinton is that "a high tide raises all boats."--the Clinton years were prosperous ones and African-Americans rose with everyone else.

Facts. Try them sometime. They're GOOD for you.

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.


 


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:34 AM



P.P.S. If you're bored, check out the financial status and quality of life of African-Americans during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years vs. the present. You'll find more evil, unfunny facts that back up my statement.

Facts: they're GOOD for you. They keep you living in the real world.


Can I paraphrase and say that Bush is responsible for making black people poor? Or could it be ...now just let me throw this out...that in the Clinton years more "stuff" was given to the underpriveleged...like home loans...and the bill (no pun intended) was called in long after Slick Willie pulled out.



Actually, the Clinton years changed AFDC to TANF--the underprivileged "stuff" was reduced. Public assistance peeps didn't get home loans. Sorry.

The reason the financial status and quality of life improved for the underprivileged under Bill Clinton is that "a high tide raises all boats."--the Clinton years were prosperous ones and African-Americans rose with everyone else.

Facts. Try them sometime. They're GOOD for you.


So the African Americans just hung on the side of the boats and rose with the tide? Wow. As for TANF I think there was a limit on this for four or five years...and then....Bill would be gone. I think there are some economists who might argue that it was not coincidence that TANF seemed succesful as the economy grew better on the house of cards known as the dot com boom,(1995-2000) directly when TANF was introduced. But if you follow the downward spiral it did nothing to help the people. It was a false positive. It seemed to be working...but people were in actuality hanging on the side of the boat...rising with the tide so to speak.

As for home loans being given to those on public assistance. I never said that. I said underprivileged...but ya know...why fuck with the facts when you can make them look different by changing a word here and there.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:36 AM

Red they tried to invade Bryant Park in Midtown manhattan today...the OWS movement...major fail. It was kind of sad. Buncha guys with dirty hair and backpacks walking around looking lost. I felt kinda sorry for them. I had a discount coupon for Starbucks, so i gave it to one of them.


Laugh all you want Mr Welby. Marginalize all you want. Of course that's what they want. Keep your eyes off the real issues.

Everyone is seeing the true agenda of the far right unfolding in front of our eyes in this Republican Primary Season. Romney is a puppet of the 1%. Santorum is the American Taliban.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:37 AM

I think I just wet my pants a little laughing.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:39 AM

Hows that whole Arab Spring thing working out for them? The OWS could use a little Irish Spring.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:18 AM

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:46 AM

Couldn't get these so easily in the 50s.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:54 AM

Dan ....I mean really....why the anger? Who exactly did I "denigrate" with that statement? And what person am I constantly ridiculing? I understand your dislike for me even if I don't understand the vitriol. You get possed off because I don't let some of the shit that's spewed fly so easily. That's cool. I mean it is a discussion board. if anything it's you taking the personal pokes at people. And Dan, these days real is illusory at best.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:22 AM




P.P.S. If you're bored, check out the financial status and quality of life of African-Americans during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years vs. the present. You'll find more evil, unfunny facts that back up my statement.

Facts: they're GOOD for you. They keep you living in the real world.


Can I paraphrase and say that Bush is responsible for making black people poor? Or could it be ...now just let me throw this out...that in the Clinton years more "stuff" was given to the underpriveleged...like home loans...and the bill (no pun intended) was called in long after Slick Willie pulled out.



Actually, the Clinton years changed AFDC to TANF--the underprivileged "stuff" was reduced. Public assistance peeps didn't get home loans. Sorry.

The reason the financial status and quality of life improved for the underprivileged under Bill Clinton is that "a high tide raises all boats."--the Clinton years were prosperous ones and African-Americans rose with everyone else.

Facts. Try them sometime. They're GOOD for you.


So the African Americans just hung on the side of the boats and rose with the tide? Wow.

That's your interpretation. It wasn't mine.

As for TANF I think there was a limit on this for four or five years...and then....Bill would be gone.

TANF introduced limits. Two year limits. Not sure what has transpired since then. I know there was at least one person who died of hunger until they changed the FS rules.


I think there are some economists who might argue that it was not coincidence that TANF seemed succesful as the economy grew better on the house of cards known as the dot com boom,(1995-2000) directly when TANF was introduced.

What? Who says TANF was "successful"? What does that even mean? One thing has nothing to do with the other since TANF IS public assistance. I can make no sense of your reasoning.

But if you follow the downward spiral it did nothing to help the people. It was a false positive. It seemed to be working...but people were in actuality hanging on the side of the boat...rising with the tide so to speak.

Where are you finding this information? You're just making things up as you go along...

As for home loans being given to those on public assistance. I never said that. I said underprivileged...but ya know...why fuck with the facts when you can make them look different by changing a word here and there.

You don't think people on public assistance are underprivileged? Please explain. I am not the one fucking with the facts, unless you claim that people on public assistance are privileged.


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BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.


 





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