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#1 skyjocky

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:42 PM

Here are the first two installments.

Damn that LIBERAL MEDIA! ;)


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More to follow. :P

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:12 PM

I note that the same people who insist on a 24 hour "waiting period" for an abortion ( which makes it incredibly difficult for the less affluent who may have to travel great distances to get to the only provider) object to one for firearms purchases. And vice versa.

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 ”Fundamentally, there are only two ways of co-ordinating the economic activities of millions. One is central direction involving the use of coercion—the technique of the army and of the modern totalitarian state. The other is voluntary co-operation of individuals—the technique of the market place.”

 

”Indeed, a major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it does this task [protects individuals against coercion] so well. It gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.”

 

”a society which is socialist cannot also be democratic, in the sense of guaranteeing individual freedom.”

 

”These then are the basic roles of government in a free society: to provide a means whereby we can modify the rules, to mediate differences among us on the meaning of the rules, and to enforce compliance with the rules on the part of those few who would otherwise not play the game.”


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:34 PM

I note that the same people who insist on a 24 hour "waiting period" for an abortion ( which makes it incredibly difficult for the less affluent who may have to travel great distances to get to the only provider) object to one for firearms purchases. And vice versa.


With the obvious difference being nobody ever got a skin full of idiot oil and whipped out an abortion and shot their neighbor during a poker game.
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#4 skyjocky

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:24 PM

Wednesdays installment.


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Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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#5 skyjocky

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:38 PM

And it's Thursday in the "Shaming Room".

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Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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#6 Skin2Skin

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:18 PM

This has me so crazy, I don't know what to say. It really is rape--not much different than having a coke bottle shoved up your vagina. (And if any man wants to argue with me on this--I've had three transvag procedures...so don't you dare tell me I'm wrong.)

"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


#7 skyjocky

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:24 PM

This has me so crazy, I don't know what to say. It really is rape--not much different than having a coke bottle shoved up your vagina. (And if any man wants to argue with me on this--I've had three transvag procedures...so don't you dare tell me I'm wrong.)


But, but you are looking at this all wrong. No one knows what's better for women than rich, white, repub MEN and the MALE clergy. Just close your eyes, as one repub suggested, and shut the hell up! They know what's best for you.

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Oh, and I completely agree with you. IT IS RAPE!!!!!!!!! :angry:

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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#8 Skin2Skin

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:30 PM

I really don't know why there is not much more outrage over this. I am ready to take to the streets...seriously. This is UNBELIEVABLE. If you dare to get an abortion, we will force you to have an unnecessary invasive procedure to punish you.

You're damn right it's rape.

"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:43 PM

Well, in Texas where this is now law, with a repub state legislature and a bat schitte crazy repub governor, nothing short of an armed insurrection would change it. Is it any wonder that rational, intelligent people HATE repubs who hold public office?

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:53 PM

It's set to pass here, too. I don't hate Republicans, but I hate this bill and I don't know why more women are not up in arms about it. Even if you think abortion is murder, do you really think raping the person having the abortion is an appropriate response? You kinda lose every inch of moral ground you ever had.


"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:58 PM

It's set to pass here, too. I don't hate Republicans, but I hate this bill and I don't know why more women are not up in arms about it. Even if you think abortion is murder, do you really think raping the person having the abortion is an appropriate response? You kinda lose every inch of moral ground you ever had.


You must first have a moral ground in order to lose it. These repubs are the farthest thing from being moral. They are beyond words.

Oh, and I don't hate all repubs. Just the vast majority of the one's who hold public office.

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:08 PM

My governor is an ignorant neanderthal. You shouldn't get to pass laws if you don't understand what the words in those laws MEAN.


"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:10 PM

You know what? I really don't hate anybody. But I am angriest at the women who are literally taking this lying down. No one is stopping them from fighting back...this is a women's issue and if they think it's perfectly fine to have their government invade womens' vaginas as punishment...I really don't know what to say.

"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:15 PM

You know what? I really don't hate anybody. But I am angriest at the women who are literally taking this lying down. No one is stopping them from fighting back...this is a women's issue and if they think it's perfectly fine to have their government invade womens' vaginas as punishment...I really don't know what to say.


Well, I do! And I believe EVERY woman who has a husband who supports this rape, should withhold any and all sexual actions until every one of these draconian laws are overturned. PERIOD!

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:17 PM

My governor is an ignorant neanderthal. You shouldn't get to pass laws if you don't understand what the words in those laws MEAN.




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Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:31 PM

Just out of curiosity...is there ONE member of this board that thinks this is acceptable? Male or female/Republican/Democrat/Independent?

Keep in mind that the shaming wand goes INTO the woman's vagina. It's not a security device that goes atop your clothes.

"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:38 PM

I think it's very obvious where I stand.

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:41 PM

Indeed it is. And where I stand. I would think this would be of interest to anyone with a female in their lives. IOW, everyone.

So...speak up.

"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:47 PM

Fortunately we have, for the most part, fairly sane repubs here.;) I would be very surprised if any of them supported this rape of American women. If they tell us the truth, that is. :rolleyes:

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:04 PM

I don't think they'd lie.


"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


#21 skyjocky

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:13 PM

I don't think they'd lie.


Actually, either do I. For the most part. :P

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:27 AM

I'm going to assume no comment is disapproval. Good.

"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.

 

 


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:59 AM

I'm going to assume no comment is disapproval. Good.


Never assume anything pertaining to righties.

Personally, I think the Crickets is them being so ashamed of the repub party for endorsing this travesty to womankind, that they are too embarrassed to reply. At least I hope that is why the silence.

Since the New Deal, republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the republican party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

 

"These are low-functioning sociopaths who defecate platitudes like "Freedom", "America", "Family", "Patriot", and "Values" with the speed and dispersal of diarrhea... they do so without thought, any genuine feeling invested or understanding of the sacrosanct concepts in question! They are the enemy of us all! They are the enemy within! They are the dry rot in the floorboards of our civilization! They are the cancer metastasizing through the body-politic! They are collectively a dangerous unknowing child with a gun now found and they will wound us terribly!" 

 

As long as baggers, bigots and bible thumpers control the repub party, they are doomed to go the way of the Dodo.

 

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:00 AM

is there any place that i can get actual information about abortions? i try to have informed opinions about important issues but i find it impossible with this because anyone who claims to know about it just speaks/writes angrily and goes on about how everyone else is lying.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:07 AM

What do you want to know? Here is one page.

"This man owns other people's music. Like, goes to the store, puts their songs in his cart, walks up to the cashier and slams his money on the counter." -- Bill Pellegrino

 

‘The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely. Faith includes noticing the mess, the emptiness and discomfort, and letting it be there until some light returns.’ -- Anne Lamott

 

Man, the dope's that there's still hope.

 

BUT...nobody wins unless everybody wins.