[Witney Devil]

I don't think it matters where it happened but you always live in hope that this sort of thing is gone from our world but...

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/3884983.stm



Tom

[skyjocky]

How very sad. I hope those punks are caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[jimmyandrews84]

how can these onlookers not intervene?

[PrettyRedRose]

WD, it's not gone. Last year in a suburb near mine, a black family had a cross burned on their lawn. The rest of the neighborhood roundly and publicly condemned it and rallied in support, but it's frightening that this mentality is still out there - the kind that would allow a gay student to be beaten to death and hung on a fence or a black man to be dragged behind a truck til his head popped off in a ditch or babies to be attacked for their parent's religion.

[NorthSideJimmy]

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[skyjocky]

how can these onlookers not intervene?

I think I would have had to go "Southern Republican" on their ass! (See "One for bushmanj, and others, of course" thread)

[NorthSideJimmy]

I finally managed to open the link and that is horrific and a lot worse than mindless graffiti. The fact that people did not intervene is par for the course for any attack these days whatever the motive.

[PoetDownHere]

how can these onlookers not intervene?

because they dont give shit...

[PrettyRedRose]

how can these onlookers not intervene?

because they dont give shit...

PDH, I don't know about that. I think sometimes people feel vulnerable themselves, frightened as well. Fear can be powerful. In all honesty, if I saw someone assaulted on the street - racially motivated or not - I might not intervene. I'd call for help certainly but, dude, I've got 3 kids and a husband to think about. I might not jump in myself, it would depend on what I felt I could do v. the potential consequences to me or the victim.

[skyjocky]

As you know, in Texas, deadly force CAN be used to stop a felony in progress. This type of assault certainly falls into that catagory.

[PrettyRedRose]

Right, but I ain't carrying, sj. I'm saying what I would think if it was me in that situation. It would completely depend on the circumstance and should not be construed by anyone that if I choose not to directly interevene that it's cuz I don't give a schitt.

[NorthSideJimmy]

And in Paris deadly force cannot be used to stop a felony. As I said earlier, people back off from these situations. People were probably unaware of any Jewish aspect to the muggimg. She was being mugged before the muggers thought she was Jewish anyway so there was no racial motivation in the original attack. It was only during the mugging that they saw her address as being in the poshest part of town that the muggers saw a Jewish connection and they seem to have been wrong in that as in everything else.

[redwire]

The immigrants and the minorities have always been the first to blame for the right-wing populists and, consequently, for the lumpen proletariat.

[PrettyRedRose]

lumpen

What does this word mean?

[redwire]

It's German.

[PrettyRedRose]

Etymology is helpful but I asked what it means...

[NoneButTheBrave]

lumpen

What does this word mean?

"Lumpen" is a word describing old, shabby-looking and worn out clothes.

[PrettyRedRose]

lumpen

What does this word mean?

\"Lumpen\" is a word describing old, shabby-looking and worn out clothes.

Thanks.

[redwire]

From Merriam-Webster's online:

"Lumpen literally means "rags" in German, and Marx's lumpen proletariat describes the poorest and most ignorant, the lowest class in society, below even the working-class proletariat.

Like much Marxism, lumpenproletariat has witnessed a shift in meaning over the years. These days, in addition to naming dispossessed and uprooted individuals cut off from the lowest social and economic class, lumpenproletariat often suggests a person with lowbrow, anti-intellectual, or vulgar tastes. "

You haven't done your Marxist homework, my dear? Punishment is on its way....

[NoneButTheBrave]

Is a "swastika" that what I think it is, btw?? The "Hakenkreuz"?

[PrettyRedRose]

Punishment is on its way....

Are you going to ban me?

(pleasepleasepleaseplease )

[redwire]

Swastika is the "Hakenkreuz", yes.

As for you my dear PRR, I have other plans.

[PrettyRedRose]

oooooh...

[Prowsey]

From Merriam-Webster's online:

\"Lumpen literally means \"rags\" in German, and Marx's lumpen proletariat describes the poorest and most ignorant, the lowest class in society, below even the working-class proletariat.

Like much Marxism, lumpenproletariat has witnessed a shift in meaning over the years. These days, in addition to naming dispossessed and uprooted individuals cut off from the lowest social and economic class, lumpenproletariat often suggests a person with lowbrow, anti-intellectual, or vulgar tastes. \"

You haven't done your Marxist homework, my dear? Punishment is on its way....

How I despise my enemy....but yet....the very people I come to defend are infinatly more frustrating...

[redwire]

Indeed, but the very existence of the lumpen proletariat is actually itself another by-product of capitalism. The socialist way to deal with the issue is a) educating the people about the importance of adotping a class consciousness, and attacking the roots of the system that would afford disenfranchised populations to use them as scapegoats for its own criminal tendencies and actions.