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35 minutes ago, newcastle roy said:

Well he didn't stay that long did he ?:D

Fair play to him it's a great opportunity to manage Hearts, best of look to him I think he'll do very well. 

Interesting appointment. Hearts have a more continental set up with yer man Levein in a "Director of Football" role. The manager more a head coach. There was always a question mark as to how much autonomy Neilson had in running the team.

There's a few gnarled old pros been giving it the big-un in the media ("show us yer medals" type stuff) so we'll see how he gets on.

30 year old managers......Jaysus, where's it going to end?

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On 06/12/2016 at 6:54 PM, newcastle roy said:

The Jerk Steven Martin hasn't got a match this weekend...i wonder why 

Meanwhile Paul Dummett and Jonjo Shelvey have had suspensions withdrawn after winning appeals against their red cards in Friday's 2-1 Championship defeat at Nottingham Forest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38228270

Slightly surprised at Shelvey's being withdrawn - he definitely kicked out at Lansbury. Being fair (much as it pains me) to Martin, the assistant made the call all on his own despite not actually having a clear view.

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I hope you're right bonny lad, i'm still not countin' my chickens as the last few matches have proven how hard this league can be.

must go watch football on five now B)

 

BTW 52,145.  That's biggest crowd of the season by 28 beating the 52,117 that attended the Wolves game.Not bad for a team that's won fuck all for yonks.

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Roy, I wll post this here so that you will see it, as I cannot find an Everton or Arsenal thead, but on Tuesday night the english premier league finally almost matched all the hype with a wonderfully entertaining game between Everton and Arsenal, two teams determined to go out and win the game (I am sure DTBS will remember when Man Utd used to do this as well) and served up great entertainment, there was even 1 or 2 english players involved, unfortunately it was a rare diamond amongst a mountain of rocks.

p.s. Great to see Toon and their tremendous support doing so well, haste ye back to the top division.

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11 hours ago, dr winston oboogie said:

Roy, I wll post this here so that you will see it, as I cannot find an Everton or Arsenal thead, but on Tuesday night the english premier league finally almost matched all the hype with a wonderfully entertaining game between Everton and Arsenal, two teams determined to go out and win the game (I am sure DTBS will remember when Man Utd used to do this as well) and served up great entertainment, there was even 1 or 2 english players involved, unfortunately it was a rare diamond amongst a mountain of rocks.

 

Nice to see you are still watching the best league in the world. 

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15 hours ago, AMIW said:

shelvey gets a 5 match ban - he can spend xmas, the new year and the fa cup3rd round skiing in the alps

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/20/newcastle-jonjo-shelvey-five-game-ban

Well i still reckon he'll play over christmas

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Newcastle racist  - tut tut tut

 

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2016/12/23/fa-hearing-revealed-three-wolves-players-say-jonjo-shelvey-called-romain-saiss-an-arab/

 

Shelvey has decided not to appeal a five-game ban and a £100,000 fine after the FA found him guilty of racially abusing Saiss during Wolves' 2-0 win at St James' Park in September.

The Newcastle player will be free of suspension when Wolves host the Magpies at Molineux on February 11.

The FA has now released its minutes of the hearing, which recently took place in Birmingham.

 

The incident was sparked when Newcastle player Vernon Anita tackled Ivan Cavaleiro in the 87th minute. Saiss waved an imaginary red card (Anita was indeed sent off) and a melee followed in which players from both teams were alleged to have traded insults.

An 11-page report of the hearing states: "It is alleged that shortly after the red card was awarded Shelvey called Saiss an “Arab” or “Arabic” “****” and/or “p***k.”

It was attended by Saiss, Iorfa, Doherty, Borthwick-Jackson, captain Danny Batth, coach Rob Edwards, former team general manager Andrea Butti and club doctor Matthew Perry.

A summary of the hearing is as follows.

Wolves evidence

 

 

  • Iorfa gave evidence that Shelvey was aware of Saiss’s gesture for a red card to be shown after the tackle. His account began with Shelvey asking “Why are you asking for a card, you’re winning.” Shelvey denies this. Iorfa’s account in his statement went on to say that when Shelvey was standing close to him he said “you Arab p***k” and “you Arab ****.”

    It was when Doherty approached him to ask “did he say that?” that Iorfa became absolutely or 100 per cent sure of what he had heard.

    Both he and Doherty then reported the matter immediately after the conclusion of the match. Iorfa was adamant that Shelvey used the word Arab.

  • Doherty and Borthwick-Jackson were also cross-examined in respect of their written statements and the statements recorded by others. It was put to both players, as it was to Iorfa, that their accounts were not consistent with each other as to what was heard nor consistent with notes that had been taken by third parties at the time.

    Doherty maintained in his oral evidence that he heard Shelvey say “Moroccan p***k” and “Arabic ****” although he conceded those words could have been in a different order.

    He said he was “1000 per cent” certain of this.

    Borthwick-Jackson gave evidence that he heard Shelvey call Saiss a “smelly Arab ****” and said he was “100 per cent” sure of what he heard.

  • After the match Iorfa and Doherty immediately informed Rob Edwards, the WWFC first team coach, of what was said and he relayed this to the referee. This was then relayed by the referee to Rafa Benitez who after speaking with Shelvey reported back that he disputed this assertion and asserted that the words he used were “smelly breathed p***k” in response to Mr Saiss calling him a “bald ****.”
  • Saiss himself gave evidence. He was not able to take matters much further. He denied ever swearing at Shelvey at any time. It was clear from his evidence that his command of English even now is quite basic.

Newcastle evidence

 

  • Shelvey gave evidence that he lost his temper when he heard someone call him a “bald ****.” He then responded to Saiss, whom he suspected of saying it because he was walking away, not with reference to being Arab or Moroccan but solely with a personal insult of being a “smelly breathed p***k.” This he said two or three times as he considered Saiss did not hear him but he used the same words each time.

    He insisted that he did not know of Mr Saiss’s use of the imaginary card gesture.

    Shelvey accepted that at the point in the video footage where he says he was insulted he did not react immediately.

    It was put to him that it was only when he had a subsequent conversation with Gayle that he turned to go back in the direction of Mr Saiss who was walking away. It was put to him that he had been told by Gayle at this point of the card gesture by Saiss and that he then became angry or more angry and used the words which are the subject of the charge before being pushed back by Gayle.

    Shelvey denied that he knew Saiss was of Moroccan or Arab extraction.

  • (Dwight) Gayle gave oral evidence and said that he heard someone shouting “bald ****” at Shelvey although he cannot be sure who said it. He also said he heard Shelvey say only once, “smelly breathed p***k.”

FA conclusion

  • There are differences in the accounts given by the witnesses on each side. However it must be borne in mind that the incident occurred during a match where there was a large crowd and a significant amount of noise

    We find that it is more likely than not, given how annoyed he was, that Gayle told Shelvey of Saiss’s gesture after which Shelvey began to walk back in the direction of Saiss to express his views on the matter.

    The main witnesses were entirely consistent in respect of what was the central issue in the case, namely whether the word Arab or Arabic was used by Shelvey during the course of what was, on any view, an ill-tempered outburst of offensive language by him towards Saiss which the latter clearly did not hear.

    The Commission is satisfied that the evidence of the three main witnesses from WWFC is clearly to be preferred. Their evidence was given with conviction and openness."


Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2016/12/23/fa-hearing-revealed-three-wolves-players-say-jonjo-shelvey-called-romain-saiss-an-arab/#qcHteFPfESXUzs8r.99

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43 minutes ago, Growin' Up said:

Entirely consistent though - which meant the Newcastle mob, aside from being racist, were also lying.

 

 

"Newcastle mob" ? you mean Gayle and Shelvey right ?  One black man and one white man ?

I personalty think it's kind of strange that Shelvey was proven guilty on the back of  what 3 wolves players said. Yup those same wolves players with select hearing problems.

I've no doubt what Shelvey said was racist, i don't however think he's an actual racist..we do have an Arab player in our squad btw

Shelvey IMO is a bit of a clot.

He doesn't know that calling an Arab an Arab is allowed, but calling an Arab an Arab prick is racist.

Meanwhile calling a bald bloke a bald twat is allowed because  that is just banter, mr Shelvey clearly has not read the rules of on the pitch banter. It's cost him a hundred grand.

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Hopefully Shelvey missing a few games will convince Rafa that he needs to get his chequebook out. Sheffield Wednesday game highlighted that without him, we have zero creativity in the middle of the pitch. We have plenty of hard working midfield grafters but no one else who realises they are allowed to pass the ball forward. I live in a house full of Wednesday supporters - not a great place to be on Boxing Day :( 

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23 hours ago, Ginslinger said:

Hopefully Shelvey missing a few games will convince Rafa that he needs to get his chequebook out. Sheffield Wednesday game highlighted that without him, we have zero creativity in the middle of the pitch. We have plenty of hard working midfield grafters but no one else who realises they are allowed to pass the ball forward. I live in a house full of Wednesday supporters - not a great place to be on Boxing Day :( 

Aye, i agree. Shelvey is a massive miss. I've always known this league will be hard to get out of, it certainly wont be as easy as the bookies reckon it will be.

We've been linked with a few players, you yes the check book needs to come in jan.

Still 6 points clear of third place so not all bad

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