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Sadly what's done is done now. There is nothing Leeds council can do about his gig. It's not their business to manage the venue and it is down to Live Nation to decide how they allocate the tickets. The only thing people can do effectively is to petition their local MP with regard to making the secondary ticket market illegal. These tickets are gone though and whether they are in the hands of true fans or local bigwigs and curious first direct staff only time will tell.

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The second one is very good and useful - thanks!!!. I'm signing off now until Monday, but I'll try and think of something. Do you think the promoter could (at least in theory) do some kind of audit of how many tickets are on sale above face value, and release as many, to undercut the touts? Any ideas?

I haven't seen many tickets under 5 times face value over the past couple of weeks, never mind just above face.

It's absolutely disgusting.

ebay shouldn't be allowed to sell tickets - that'd be a good start.

All those secondary ticket outlets like viagogo should be put out of business too. I don't understand how it's even legal to hoover up Official tickets & sell them at such an inflated price??

Of course I'm just bitter because I'll miss out on such a great show, but there's something seriously wrong with the system.

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Unfortunately theres no point contacting First Direct either. I have a good friend who's worked at their Leeds call centre for years and believe me I was straight onto them with no joy. First Direct became sponsors after the tickets had been sold and theres none for their employees. Im sure a few have been held back for the bigwigs at the top but theres nothing for their ground floor employees

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Any suggestions were to start? Im fully aware that it won't change the situation but do you know what surely its worth trying as so many fans missed out on this one.

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I wonder if the actual arena might be the best place to complain to and maybe copy the Yorkshire Post into it ?

Im not very good with computers etc but I wonder if theres any value to trying to set up some sort of petition on the forum that could eventually be emailed to the arena and the local paper? Its not going to magic up any tickets but maybe it will help better ticket distribution for future shows? I can imagine that because Bruce is opening this arena theres a good chance he'll come back again on a future tour

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Very last post until Monday: my opinion is that we need to find out what is actually achievable apart from venting our frustration. We cannot argue against people who are not fans but have a ticket, including big wigs, fat cats, people who never listened to him before, etc., as long as they ARE going - they are entitled. I think the issue is people with tickets selling them above face value. It may be a silly idea, but my impression is that we need something that undercuts the touts and leaves them with worthless pieces of paper in their hands. I think it's worth looking into the implications (H&S? policing it? I don't know) of the organisers releasing as many tickets as there are on sale above face value on the secondary market. We need something that will make the touts think twice before "investing" on tickets next time. It may be pie in the sky, but we need to do some homework. Anybody with actual legal knowledge that can help out there?

See you on Monday.

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Sadly what's done is done now. There is nothing Leeds council can do about his gig. It's not their business to manage the venue and it is down to Live Nation to decide how they allocate the tickets. The only thing people can do effectively is to petition their local MP with regard to making the secondary ticket market illegal. These tickets are gone though and whether they are in the hands of true fans or local bigwigs and curious first direct staff only time will tell.

Very good point,dont think I have ever seen so few tickets for any gig on ebay/getmein etc,so where are they all? In the hands of genuine fans who would not sell for any price or a bunfight for the "cucumber sandwich brigade"?

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Morning Folks,

First time poster here.

Excellent Site / Forum guys which luckily I stumbled across pre-Wembley trying to get some info on the pit queue. Really helpful it was too as managed to get there for Friday evening roll call and found a decent spot in the pit after a long and wet day waiting. Congrats to GL’er who helped organise.

I’ve been a bit of a lurker since – as much work commitments as anything - but now travel plans to Cardiff and Leeds (on the way back home) are firmed up thought I’d give it a whirl. No ticket for Leeds so far but being from the North East travel back is a doddle in the event I can’t get in. Either way I intend to have a good day out come what may!

Prices on $tubhub, $eatwave and all the others are pretty ridiculous at the moment – asking £1000+ for a seat in the gods is beyond nuts FFS - and I wouldn’t go anywhere near them at those prices if at all. As per Kev H’s post I think there’s every chance of a drop albeit a small one. Just hope I’m there at the right time, if not I’ll take my chances on the day.

Any ticket updates / help would be more than appreciated.

Cheers and hope to meet a few lakers in Cardiff and Leeds……

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I wonder if the actual arena might be the best place to complain to and maybe copy the Yorkshire Post into it ?

Im not very good with computers etc but I wonder if theres any value to trying to set up some sort of petition on the forum that could eventually be emailed to the arena and the local paper? Its not going to magic up any tickets but maybe it will help better ticket distribution for future shows? I can imagine that because Bruce is opening this arena theres a good chance he'll come back again on a future tour

I signed up on this one, not sure if it will do any good, but is another opportunity to vent a bit!

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/bruce-springsteen-and-jon-landau-management-look-into-why-fans-are-denied-ticket-access-as-at-the-leeds-arena-show-2#share

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Very last post until Monday: my opinion is that we need to find out what is actually achievable apart from venting our frustration. We cannot argue against people who are not fans but have a ticket, including big wigs, fat cats, people who never listened to him before, etc., as long as they ARE going - they are entitled. I think the issue is people with tickets selling them above face value. It may be a silly idea, but my impression is that we need something that undercuts the touts and leaves them with worthless pieces of paper in their hands. I think it's worth looking into the implications (H&S? policing it? I don't know) of the organisers releasing as many tickets as there are on sale above face value on the secondary market. We need something that will make the touts think twice before "investing" on tickets next time. It may be pie in the sky, but we need to do some homework. Anybody with actual legal knowledge that can help out there?

See you on Monday.

Very last post until Monday: my opinion is that we need to find out what is actually achievable apart from venting our frustration. We cannot argue against people who are not fans but have a ticket, including big wigs, fat cats, people who never listened to him before, etc., as long as they ARE going - they are entitled. I think the issue is people with tickets selling them above face value. It may be a silly idea, but my impression is that we need something that undercuts the touts and leaves them with worthless pieces of paper in their hands. I think it's worth looking into the implications (H&S? policing it? I don't know) of the organisers releasing as many tickets as there are on sale above face value on the secondary market. We need something that will make the touts think twice before "investing" on tickets next time. It may be pie in the sky, but we need to do some homework. Anybody with actual legal knowledge that can help out there?

See you on Monday.

You will never beat the touts they have been around and will be around for years...its simple supply and demand and while it may not be fair that is how it is

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I don't agree with that "you'll never beat" response. It's not exactly part of my make-up and actually it's not part of the Brit character/culture either going back a very long time.

What I do agree with is that "touts" are the unofficial part of the secondary market and therefore more difficult to overcome. However, there are existing laws that set out to prevent their activities - they probably just need tightening up a bit/ making clearer so that law enforcement can be effective.

However, by far the biggest problem is the linkage between primary and secondary sellers that appear to be legitimate companies trading and in some cases connected.

If you add to that the shoddy Customer Service that we are all subject to, particularly TM where they have money for 6 months then don't send tickets in time, all this needs to change.

I've PM'd casino nancy to see if there is any way a small group of us could initiate some more activity to raise this situation's profile

Mike

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However, by far the biggest problem is the linkage between primary and secondary sellers that appear to be legitimate companies trading and in some cases connected.

Agreed.

When you turn up at a gig/football match & there are blokes selling & buying tickets, well that's just the way it is - it's been like that for donkeys years.

What boils my piss are the secondary online sellers that consider themselves a legitimate business when in fact they are far worse than the touts who rack up on the day of the gig outside the venue.

E.bay is also a huge problem. Isn't it funny how every seller on ebay was "desperate" to go to the gig but it clashed with holiday plans? :rolleyes: ...funny that.

Not quite sure why that means you should sell your £69 ticket for over £300 you hideous little cunt.

Even if I could afford it I wouldn't pay that sort of money for a concert ticket - regardless of how desperate I am to be there.

I understand the sentiment behind signing petitions & stuff but it's a bit late now sadly. I can't see Bruce & the E Street Band playing an indoor UK show again & unfortunately where this show is concerned the damage is already done.

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For me the fault lies with the decision to allow 6 tickets per person, that was an open invitation to touts/greedy profiteerers etc. and especially knowing the relatively small size of the capacity it should have been and could have been 2 or 3 per person only. The Arena is to blame as they allowed this at their box office too. I remember for my first gig, David Bowie 1973 in Croydon the venue in association with Mainman (Bowie's management) only allowed 2 tickets per person, I don't recall seeing many touts outside and certainly no empty seats which is always an indication of tickets having fallen into the wrong hands. That will be the most annoying thing to see in Leeds, empty seats, some of which may well also be 'corporate' ones given out to local 'big-wigs' etc. I can't see any complaining now is going to get things changed, Bruce's management should and must be aware by now but unless some allocations have been held back sadly the prices will remain unfairly high. What saddens me the most is that many of those choosing to sell at vastly inflated prices on eBay etc will be Bruce fans who deliberately bought extra tickets in order to make a profit. Finally, eBay could stop the secondary selling of all concert tickets and that would kill off that section of the market, legislation is needed to sort out those online rip-off companies but that isn't likely anytime soon.

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Finally, eBay could stop the secondary selling of all concert tickets and that would kill off that section of the market

They have. Sellers are now directed to sell tickets on (the ebay owned) Stubhub, where even more extortionate commission rates are charged, thus driving up prices even further. :angry:

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Hi Kev

Well if the event's in the arena and the Arena's box office is selling tickets to people stood in a queue outside the arena , whose policy is it that allows 6 per ticket ? It surely can't be anyone else's policy, but the Arena or the Arena's management ?

Or mabe there's some numpty bye-law (if it'sa Civic-owned amenity) that says a certain number must be made available to those living within a certain radius. You know kind of quasi "Human Rights" issue that Councils are so terrified of these days...... :ph34r: I wonder if they policed that effectively LOL ??????

Personally if they have this sort of policy then I think 6 is an excessive number perp person in a 13,000 venue as potentially, if they had a policy of selling 25% direct at the box office, then it would have been mathematically and potentially possible for these 3000ish tickets to fall into the hands of no more than 500ish customers. And that cannot be right - or if it's right it certainly isn't sensible ?

What do you think ?

Mike

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Hi Kev

Well if the event's in the arena and the Arena's box office is selling tickets to people stood in a queue outside the arena , whose policy is it that allows 6 per ticket ? It surely can't be anyone else's policy, but the Arena or the Arena's management ?

Or mabe there's some numpty bye-law (if it'sa Civic-owned amenity) that says a certain number must be made available to those living within a certain radius. You know kind of quasi "Human Rights" issue that Councils are so terrified of these days...... :ph34r: I wonder if they policed that effectively LOL ??????

Personally if they have this sort of policy then I think 6 is an excessive number perp person in a 13,000 venue as potentially, if they had a policy of selling 25% direct at the box office, then it would have been mathematically and potentially possible for these 3000ish tickets to fall into the hands of no more than 500ish customers. And that cannot be right - or if it's right it certainly isn't sensible ?

What do you think ?

Mike

It was not the arena's decision or the arena's management.

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Does anyone know how long the queue were actually supplied with tickets before they shut the windows? eventim,seetickets and TM were also selling these,13k tickets were never going to last long. What does surprise me is the lack of tickets on getmein,TMs "official" tout site,might indicate they never had many in the first place?

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Does anyone know how long the queue were actually supplied with tickets before they shut the windows? eventim,seetickets and TM were also selling these,13k tickets were never going to last long. What does surprise me is the lack of tickets on getmein,TMs "official" tout site,might indicate they never had many in the first place?

Eventim are the official ticket partner of the arena.

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Does anyone know how long the queue were actually supplied with tickets before they shut the windows? eventim,seetickets and TM were also selling these,13k tickets were never going to last long. What does surprise me is the lack of tickets on getmein,TMs "official" tout site,might indicate they never had many in the first place?

I think there must have been of a lot that have gone to the corporates, as you said, there has never been a massive number on the secondary sites. I kept checking to see if I could get anything better than I already had but there only ever seemed to be certain blocks available, I don't remember ever seeing any tickets from the central lower tier blocks being available on any of the touting sites.

It might be a good idea for people who did get lucky with tickets to post the block they are in, and how they purchased (online, phone, box office) just to see if any blocks have been held back. We probably wont have a big enough sample to get any meaningful info but worth a try!

I'll get the ball rolling, I'm in:

Block 219

Purchased from EventIM

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I went to the arena today. Forget the boxes - suited up, American accent, I figured let's see where that got me. Nowhere. Not available for a single show, at least for now.

Those who have been preaching Eventim seem to be correct. No info about drops but if they come from the arena that's where they are headed. Or so I'm told.

Called my two members of the Council today. Reached one. They expect to personally get tickets which, clams my Councilor, she has already promised a constituent. What I think is important here is she does not yet have her ticket(s). Obviously if there are a number of tickets still to be released to rather disinterested parties the secondary market may experience an increase in tickets and a price reduction.

No great hope. I reacted to today by buying tickets for Rome. Still, I now plan on stopping off daily asking if anything is available on the theory if I'm enough of a pain they'll give me something to go away. Not likely but...

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