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2 hours ago, tie that bind said:

What ever we think of the Touts how can it be right that the artists management eg in this case RW management put tickets on secondary sites for twice the face value . surely that slug must know what his team are doing ripping off his fans, makes you think how many more artists do it. sink that low.

sadly it seems it is common practise, the only surprising thing in this case is that it has come out, good on Victoria Derbyshire and her team

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The whole thing is insane! I'm a huge Bob Dylan fan, getting tickets for his latest tour was a bit of a horror story. The way it was told, ticketmaster was the ONLY place to get tickets for Bob, I log on to ticketmaster about an hour before the onsale time, screw it up and end up with no tickets....cue panic. Thing is, there are several other legitimate websites who have a ticket allocation and aren't as well advertised as ticketmaster, fifteen minutes after onsale, I walk away with four mid priced tickets.

Why not have one single website (Like when flying somewhere) that gives a full list of all the air providers selling flights on the specified route. Or would this just make the problem worse as the bots would know exactly where to go?

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There seem to have been two conflicting strands on this thread - leading to a load of animosity for pariskiss a few months ago.

First strand:  most of us fans hate artists or their management shifting tickets, or allowing tickets to be shifted, immediately or very quickly over to the secondary sites.  We're told the act has sold out, but it's usually a con.  As for the Dylan tour, if you didn't fall for the Ticketmaster crap, I was being offered pretty good seats straight away directly from the venue nearest me - in Bournemouth.  I chose not to take them, but that's another story.   I agree this pretence of fake sell-outs should be hammered legally.

Second strand:  Pariskiss got hammered for his practice of buying cheap just before a show off old-fashioned touts just before a gig.  He did it just before the Bruce 2016 Wembley gig  which he loved.  Those tickets might have been passed down to touts from "corrupt" agencies who couldn't shift them on their net sites.  But it's hardly sacrilege to snap them up at well below face value if you strike lucky.  I'd advised one of my boys (keen fan, 20-years-old) to try to get in - he didn't try, believing it was an absolute sell-out.  I'd managed to get a GA ticket for my other lad at face value off a Laker.   I'd treated myself to an expensive seat (stupidly, thought I wouldn't do better and maybe it was my last time to see Bruce), but out of interest watched the touts at work.  GA tickets were going for £20 half a hour before the show.

I think it's really bad for artists or their management or promoters to shift tickets straightaway onto secondary sites (Seatwave, Viagogo etc etc), but don't think it's a sin to pay touts something token just before a gig - or just as it's starting.  It's a tiny bit of payback to the corrupt system, but just a tiny bit.  And, especially if you're poor or a student, you can get to see a top stadium performer for next to nothing.  Pre-internet days, I loved beating the touts and getting to see bands last minute as cheap as possible ...

 

 

 

 

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I've said this all along.  It's the industry itself that is withholding tickets to put straight on to their own secondary sites.

The so-called touts and bots are just a smokescreen for this.   

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U2s Irish gig sold out in 8 minutes in Monday 80000 tickets.  

I feel sorry for all those fans who managed to score tickets then within 5 minutes of purchase realised they couldn't go and

hlad to list them at 5 times the price on ticketmasters tout site. 

Papers have dubbed the scandal The Doshua Tree. :lol:

Interestingly U2 have decided NOT to add a second night due to the fiasco. 

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On 17/11/2016 at 1:03 PM, ParisKiss said:

I like this forum , you can say what ever you like and most people even if  they don't agree with you don't resort to personal attacks

Until now , Firstly the Krankie who has to put his bitter views on every reply and then the benefit claiming geordie whos still hiding under the stairs in case of a terror attack .Grow up ........

benefit claiming Geordie ha ha ha....LOLSVILLE

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On 15/01/2017 at 7:48 PM, Rizla said:

I've said this all along.  It's the industry itself that is withholding tickets to put straight on to their own secondary sites.

The so-called touts and bots are just a smokescreen for this.   

Correct.....

 

why they don't just stick them on the 2nd sites and have done with it...

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On 17/01/2017 at 3:51 PM, Irish Ian said:

I feel sorry for all those fans who managed to score tickets then within 5 minutes of purchase realised they couldn't go and

That is the real issue, obviously none of those are genuine spares, which is what seatwave claim is their purpose. If there was a rule introduced that the secondary market was only opened in the month prior to the gig, it would stop a big proportion of this issue, not all, but it would certainly deter many. 

But as we know, when they are making so much profit from it, why would TM shoot themselves in the foot in such a manner?

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Online touts who bulk buy tickets and sell them for inflated prices will face unlimited fines under government plans.

An amendment to the Digital Economy Bill means it will be illegal to use "bots" to bypass limits on the maximum amount of tickets that can be bought.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39239133

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Yeah, caught this on the news this morning too. Question in my mind is will it address the primary ticketing agencies creaming off tickets and putting them straight on to their own subsidiary secondary outlets - do they  even have to use bots to access their own sites? Doubt it.......

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1 hour ago, Born To Walk said:

Online touts who bulk buy tickets and sell them for inflated prices will face unlimited fines under government plans.

An amendment to the Digital Economy Bill means it will be illegal to use "bots" to bypass limits on the maximum amount of tickets that can be bought.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39239133

I'll believe that when it happens :rolleyes:

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its ok having a law its having to enforce and prosecute that law that will not happen, the powers that be will come up with the lack of resources crap, and anyway in general, what Rizla said before is probably the reality

On 1/15/2017 at 7:48 PM, Rizla said:

I've said this all along.  It's the industry itself that is withholding tickets to put straight on to their own secondary sites.

The so-called touts and bots are just a smokescreen for this

I've said this all along.  It's the industry itself that is withholding tickets to put straight on to their own secondary sites.

The so-called touts and bots are just a smokescreen for this.

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I actually don't see online 'bots' as the key issue here. 

It is so easy for anyone with Internet access to make an instant profit on in-demand concerts. There are 3 people who I know of in the office where I work who do this every single week. Occasionally they get burned but more often, they make a good profit.

You can bet for every big show that goes on sale, there are 1000's upon 1000's of people trying to cash in and make an easy profit. 

As I said previously, a way to limit this would be to restrict secondary sales to 2  or 3 weeks prior to the gig. That would mean anyone who truly has spares and has exhausted all other options would have an avenue to shift them but many who do this for a profit would be put off if they had to sit on them for a prolonged period, risking extra dates going on sale and demand decreasing.  

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The fool proof way, as proved by Kate Bush and Tom Waits, is ID at the venue matching the ID on the ticket.  It's a bummer for genuine fans who can't make it for genuine reasons and can't sell the ticket on (even at face value) but it disables the touts in one fell swoop.

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31 minutes ago, Promise61 said:

The fool proof way, as proved by Kate Bush and Tom Waits, is ID at the venue matching the ID on the ticket.  It's a bummer for genuine fans who can't make it for genuine reasons and can't sell the ticket on (even at face value) but it disables the touts in one fell swoop.

I think you are probably right with todays technology like mobile pay etc it should be easy enough to develop and make it no slower than it already is to get into venues, although it possibly would discriminate against non tech  savvy people, the only proviso would be ticket sellers would have to take tickets back from people who generally cant go, but unfortunately in todays world of GREED  a proper and fair system to the buyer will probably never happen. also tour dates that are drip fed out like bruces last few tours do not help.

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9 hours ago, Promise61 said:

The fool proof way, as proved by Kate Bush and Tom Waits, is ID at the venue matching the ID on the ticket.  It's a bummer for genuine fans who can't make it for genuine reasons and can't sell the ticket on (even at face value) but it disables the touts in one fell swoop.

So, if you are buying, say six tickets, they all have to have the  names of the purchaser's guests on them? and how would they enforce that, assuming one of your guests was your daughter who may not have a form of ID.and if it's just the buyers name/id, for a markup of $200 a ticket, the buyer will escort his punters in and then leave after the first song! wouldn't he? 

You want to see Bruce badly enough, you'll get in!!!

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That's great, but it won't stop the usual industry culprits from withholding large numbers of tickets from general sale.  You can't sell your ticket if you never managed to get one in the first place.

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On 1/15/2017 at 1:48 PM, Rizla said:

I've said this all along.  It's the industry itself that is withholding tickets to put straight on to their own secondary sites.

The so-called touts and bots are just a smokescreen for this.   

Yep. Everybody loves to hate Ticketmaster (and they do have their own issues), but they don't set the prices or decide how many and which tickets to hold back- the artist and promoter do that. There were definitely some "interesting" things going on in the secondary market for Bruce's last tour, if one paid attention.

The problem I have with Bruce's tickets is the way they charge full price for almost all of the seats. Last tour, I saw many well-meaning fans get stuck with lousy tickets that they bought "so the scalpers wouldn't get them", but the scalpers didn't want those seats anyway. Those fans have unintentionally contributed to the problem, because now Inc. knows they can get full price for those seats. If they don't sell, the price will go down- by the end of the first U.S. leg last year, some shows had those same seats as cheap as $35.

And don't get me started on the whole Platinum Seats thing, which again, if people will pay it... 

On 3/11/2017 at 5:03 PM, jag3004 said:

So, if you are buying, say six tickets, they all have to have the  names of the purchaser's guests on them? and how would they enforce that, assuming one of your guests was your daughter who may not have a form of ID.and if it's just the buyers name/id, for a markup of $200 a ticket, the buyer will escort his punters in and then leave after the first song! wouldn't he?

Yep, it's just the buyer's name, and that's indeed one thing they do. Saw it happen with my own eyes at the WIESS show at MSG with paperless. I don't think the buyer even went to the seats.

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The whole Golden Circle scam for general admission tickets is disgraceful. Used to be, to paraphrase Bruce, if you had a GA ticket and you wanted to be down front badly enough then you had the opportunity to do so. Now it's just those with the deepest wallets. Just came back from the Tom Petty Hyde Park  gig (which was great by the way) and I secured a spot as close to the front as I could in the GA section, which was of course barricaded off from a huge Golden Circle. Diabolical practice.

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I personally have used touts for about 30 years outside gigs and have never paid more than face value.

ok you have to do the charade and play the game a bit but they are ok geezers in general.

as an example - Dylan at wembley last month was £10 (free apparently once show had started).

U2 (which I paid full price for before so didn't tout it) was after first song £40 for a £100+ ticket. And they were sold out properly!

Stadium shows are always very easy on the day.

like others have said it's the secondary sites who are the real criminals!

 

as for golden circle etc- that is awful. (As I also think is the whole pit thing). Just let first come first served get to the front. Nearly all Wembley gigs do so - even Stone Roses recently- if their crowd can handle that without problems a Bruce crowd which is older, more sensible and more genteel! Certainly can.

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, East London Calling said:

even Stone Roses recently- if their crowd can handle that without problems a Bruce crowd which is older, more sensible and more genteel! 

and mostly less drunk!

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I'm not sure I understand how this is meant to work, but $6 to see Jay Z sounds way too expensive!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41898434/jay-z-sells-6-tickets-to-us-gigs-to-cut-out-touts-and-resale-rip-offs

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