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3 minutes ago, BrilliantDisguise said:

 I'm missing something I guess.

I don't think you are. You're reacting to it with honest opinion. Maybe it's best not to dwell on it too much.

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Of course you're not missing anything.  No one can or should even want to force something on themselves that just ain't there.  If one ain't a fan of Devils, Joad, or whichever, I don't think they question what it is they're missing, they likely just realize what their tastes speak to and don't speak to.

For myself, I don't see why any one album has to be better than another - insofar as I would never even think of comparing this to Born To Run or Darkness.  Firstly, you've got an artist who was writing as a 25-30 year old compared to now, no way they're going to be the same albums, and secondly they all couldn't be more different in scope and theme. 

I honestly think comparing is pointless.   If one thinks Western Stars is a masterpiece, that would no way take anything away from their love of Darkness or vica versa.  Lots of artists can have more than one masterpiece in their canon.  

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8 minutes ago, BrilliantDisguise said:

I am pondering if maybe something is wrong with my ears or my Bruce love (which I have a lot of).  

I think Western Stars is a good album.  I'll even go as far to say a really good album.  I enjoy many of the songs, the vocals, the lyrics, etc etc etc.  But I just don't get how everyone is calling this a masterpiece.  I'm so happy that Bruce can still produce good music for all of us to enjoy at this later stage in his career.  That he still has it in him.  But for me, I just can't call this a masterpiece.  I could never compare this to a BTR or Darkness, when I feel he was at the height of his career.  I mean most of you are going on and on about how great this is and how you can't get enough of it and how it's bringing tears to your eyes.  Why am I not getting those feelings?  I'm not a 'casual fan', so I don't understand.  I mean really, you can all put these songs right up there with Thunder Road, Jungleland, NYCS, Sandy (to just name a few)?  What am I not hearing?  Anyway, I don't think I would put this album in my top 5 let alone number 1.  I'm missing something I guess.

 Maybe right now this just isn't the album you need. If it isn't hitting the spot, then it isn't. You don't have to feel bad about it.

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I don’t get it at all. Honestly, I don’t even get how people are hearing a good album out of it. I keep listening to it hoping that it will finally click for me, but I just find it a little more ridiculous every time I hear it. Wayfarer sounds like a song from a Disney movie (Tangled to specific, according to one of my daughters). Maybe this will be one that I’ll come back to twenty years from now and not understand how I missed it for so long.

This is the first album of his that I see as a complete swing and a miss. I don’t think you’re missing anything.

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3 minutes ago, Kay said:

Of course you're not missing anything.  No one can or should even want to force something on themselves that just ain't there.  If one ain't a fan of Devils, Joad, or whichever, I don't think they question what it is they're missing, they likely just realize what their tastes speak to and don't speak to.

For myself, I don't see why any one album has to be better than another - insofar as I would never even think of comparing this to Born To Run or Darkness.  Firstly, you've got an artist who was writing as a 25-30 year old compared to now, no way they're going to be the same albums, and secondly they all couldn't be more different in scope and theme. 

I honestly think comparing is pointless.   If one thinks Western Stars is a masterpiece, that would no way take anything away from their love of Darkness or vica versa.  Lots of artists can have more than one masterpiece in their canon.  

I'm not trying to force it on myself.  I'm not sad about not liking it either.  I'm just wondering what everyone sees in this that I don't.  I wasn't a Devils or Joad fan so maybe that's it.  

I agree that an artist can have more than one masterpiece, but I can't compare any of these songs to the ones I mentioned.

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4 minutes ago, Jertucky said:

Honestly, I don’t even get how people are hearing a good album out of it.

I mean what the hell does this even mean?  If someone has written a long, beautiful post, as there has been many, did they not explain why they think it's a great album?  Especially when they list the lyrics they love and arrangements and soaring strings?  If that's their thing, it's going to be a great album. 

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We all have different emotional reactions to music.  I think if you believe that Bruce was at his best all those years ago, maybe that is where you  want him to be, where you made your connection to him and that makes you happy. 

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4 minutes ago, Jertucky said:

I don’t get it at all. Honestly, I don’t even get how people are hearing a good album out of it. I keep listening to it hoping that it will finally click for me, but I just find it a little more ridiculous every time I hear it. Wayfarer sounds like a song from a Disney movie (Tangled to specific, according to one of my daughters). Maybe this will be one that I’ll come back to twenty years from now and not understand how I missed it for so long.

This is the first album of his that I see as a complete swing and a miss. I don’t think you’re missing anything.

I seem to like the album more than you, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that doesn't think this is a masterpiece.

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1 minute ago, westcoastgirl said:

We all have different emotional reactions to music.  I think if you believe that Bruce was at his best all those years ago, maybe that is where you  want him to be, where you made your connection to him and that makes you happy. 

I definitely made my connection to him back then.  But I am not living in the past either.  I have loved quite a few albums since then.

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1 minute ago, BrilliantDisguise said:

I wasn't a Devils or Joad fan so maybe that's it.  

Neither was/am I. I always said that both could do with a good tune or three injected into the albums.

Masterpiece, like hero etc are much-used words and therefore tend to get diluted.

I don't think of this album as a masterpiece. It's lovely, I love it - doesn't need to go into a category. It just happens to suit me to a T.

Apart from Wayfarer and the not-so-good middle bit of Sleepy Joe's.  I can live with that, though. ;)

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2 minutes ago, Kay said:

I mean what the hell does this even mean?  If someone has written a long, beautiful post, as there has been many, did they not explain why they think it's a great album?  Especially when they list the lyrics they love and arrangements and soaring strings?  If that's their thing, it's going to be a great album. 

Of course it’s all just opinion. I still don’t get it. 

I guess overall, I don’t get how somebody would be a Bruce Springsteen fan and find this to be a masterpiece. But again, it’s just opinion.

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1 minute ago, Paolo's Circus Story said:

I wouldn't call the entire thing a masterpiece either, it's just very very good.

You gave it one more very than me. :D

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30 minutes ago, BrilliantDisguise said:

You gave it one more very than me. :D

What other Springsteen albums would you also consider to be “very good”?

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5 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

Can’t all like the same things can we.

No of course not.  But 90% of the people here are saying it's a masterpiece.  I am in the minority.

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6 minutes ago, Jertucky said:

What other Springsteen albums would you also consider to be “very good”?

I guess the B column I would consider very good.  I don't love them though.  I love the A column and the S column I consider masterpieces.

 

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As others have said: You're not missing anything, and everyone can't like the same things. We like what we like.

However much I enjoy the album, a masterpiece it isn't. A late-career high, maybe, but not a masterpiece like Born To Run or Darkness. 

It can of course be a personal masterpiece (like The Rising or Magic is for some, for instance) but I don't think it will ever sit alongside the mentioned albums or that any of the songs on WS will measure up to the songs you mentioned. 

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It’s a complete mystery why two people can hear the same song and have totally different reactions.  

I honestly can’t say exactly why I love this album so much.  I also couldn’t tell you exactly why I love BTR or Darkness so much either.  I too think of those as masterpieces, and when we say that to one another, we know what we mean.  

But I had a conversation once with someone who said they thought that the BTR album was ‘overrated,’ and they didn’t get what ‘all the fuss’ was about TR and JL (yes, they’re still breathing...).   They said it was a good album, but they preferred WEISS.   

I could give a laundry list of reasons for this one;  the turn of phrase/lyrics, the imagery, the stories, the orchestration/music itself, the way it makes you think, the feelings it evokes, the lines to which you can relate, etc.... and that’s pretty much true of how I feel about ALL of his stuff.   That doesn’t really convey the exact ‘why’ one song/album hits you differently, or means more to you, than another.  

Maybe in time something will change for you with this one, and maybe not.  I know that has happened with some songs over the years.  

I’m glad you’re enjoying it, as in there’s new Bruce out there and I’m glad you like it!! 

Are there any you’d say you ‘love?’  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, BrilliantDisguise said:

I guess the B column I would consider very good.  I don't love them though.  I love the A column and the S column I consider masterpieces.

 

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I'm with you on all said BD. 

I'd move BITUSA up to the S slot, and High Hopes into the A slot and move Tunnel down into the B slot. and I'm with you there too. 

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4 minutes ago, rosiejaneymary said:

Are there any you’d say you ‘love?’  

To be clear... I mean on this album!  I know what you love on the other stuff :D

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