Daisey Jeep Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, 100yrsOld said: What do you think has changed in the since then ? some of the hate of WOAD has died down (some of) the fan base is getting older i very much see WOAD and TOL and now WS as all being brothers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daisey Jeep Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 48 minutes ago, Jimmy James said: If Tom Petty(as an example) made this album, would it be a masterpiece? i think we'd have to ask Tom Petty fans that question and its very sad they no longer have Tom Petty with them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
100yrsOld Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pregnant Sally said: Well that's good. I'll check with you before I post in the future to see if my posts are respectful enough. You can be my proof reader so hope your 100 year old eyes are holdin' up. This I like Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy James Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, 100yrsOld said: What do you think has changed in the since then ? Just my opinion, after a very successful Wrecking Ball/High Hopes and River 16/17 tour, like Daisey said most of the base would have rebelled. Wait 5 or so years and we would have taken anything. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MacBruce Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I would have loved Western Stars no matter who had recorded it. An absolute work of art which deserves to win awards as far as I am concerned. 6 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pregnant Sally Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimmy James said: Wait 5 or so years and we would have taken anything. Who is this "we?" I know my musical tastes, I'll never take just "anything." 'We' implies you in this case Jimbo, not moi. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
100yrsOld Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Daisey Jeep said: i very much see WOAD and TOL and now WS as all being brothers From a thematic point of view you mean? What similarities do you see? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daisey Jeep Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, 100yrsOld said: From a thematic point of view you mean? What similarities do you see? well ... the big sweeping sounds of the music and his really beautiful singing and yes also the themes although WOAD has more optimism i would say they are both set in life's autum WOAD the leaves are only just starting to turn, still very much attached to the tree by WS the leaves are well and truly on ths ground 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Chaos Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, 100yrsOld said: From a thematic point of view you mean? What similarities do you see? I see a direct line from TOL to WS. WOAD is like and alternate road travelled for this inhabitants of TOL. One where it mostly went right. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whispered secret Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jimmy James said: Just my opinion, after a very successful Wrecking Ball/High Hopes and River 16/17 tour, like Daisey said most of the base would have rebelled. Wait 5 or so years and we would have taken anything. I don't agree with that statement at all. I had fairly low expectations of WS based on the fact that he had sat on it for years, that I was disappointed in High Hopes and thought his best years were behind him. Totally wrong on my part. I really believe WS is up there with his best which, for me, are BTR, Darkness & Nebraska. So no, I wouldn't have 'taken anything' . 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rizla Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Jimmy James said: If this album was made by any other artist, we wouldn't have even mentioned it. I think that statement is complete bolloc Speak for yourself. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
100yrsOld Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Daisey Jeep said: well ... the big sweeping sounds of the music and his really beautiful singing and yes also the themes although WOAD has more optimism i would say they are both set in life's autum WOAD the leaves are only just starting to turn, still very much attached to the tree by WS the leaves are well and truly on ths ground Thank you for the answer I wasn't actually aware of how WOAD had divided the fan base. I actually quite like it, as I like WS but they're far from being my personal musical refuge as many other Bruce's albums are. Mine is more an issue of musical language, I'm under the impression that with a more basic musical approach WS could be even better than it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Chaos Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, whispered secret said: I don't agree with that statement at all. I had fairly low expectations of WS based on the fact that he had sat on it for years, that I was disappointed in High Hopes and thought his best years were behind him. Totally wrong on my part. I really believe WS is up there with his best which, for me, are BTR, Darkness & Nebraska. So no, I wouldn't have 'taken anything' . Agreed - I personally thought The River RebootTour was the most pointless thing he’s done so far. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
100yrsOld Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, whispered secret said: I don't agree with that statement at all. I had fairly low expectations of WS based on the fact that he had sat on it for years, that I was disappointed in High Hopes and thought his best years were behind him. Totally wrong on my part. I really believe WS is up there with his best which, for me, are BTR, Darkness & Nebraska. So no, I wouldn't have 'taken anything' . From my point of view I have to admit that WS shows an internal cohesion that was lacking since the DD and Rising years, and this is no small achievement, it's part of what makes it so successful. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post doesthisbusstop Posted October 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2019 Born to run and western stars are masterpieces and as contrasting as it gets in musical style, and 40 odd years apart. Has anyone else achieved that? I’m delighted that Bruce has changed his musical style through the years. Not always getting it right, but he has not played it safe either. I for one am thankful for that. 8 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pregnant Sally Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Rizla said: I think that statement is complete bolloc Speak for yourself. All I have to say really when this "we" comes up on the big net. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daisey Jeep Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said: Agreed - I personally thought The River RebootTour was the most pointless thing he’s done so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Steven Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 9 hours ago, 100yrsOld said: All great songs IMO, maybe DBD not as good... they are but because they had already been used in shows for a long time it felt by adding them that it took the shine off the albums they sat on. highlighting or at least raising the question that perhaps Bruce was running out of material and when you've grown up with an artist that has put so much effort into creating singular pieces of work with a narrative that fits it felt those songs on those albums cheapened them a little. if that makes sense. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
100yrsOld Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big Steven said: they are but because they had already been used in shows for a long time it felt by adding them that it took the shine off the albums they sat on. highlighting or at least raising the question that perhaps Bruce was running out of material and when you've grown up with an artist that has put so much effort into creating singular pieces of work with a narrative that fits it felt those songs on those albums cheapened them a little. if that makes sense. It does indeed, now I see what it's all about. HH actually is quite a mixed bag, more a collection of songs than actual 'album'. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy James Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 After Bruce explained the meaning of Western Stars song and Drive Fast. Do you think Bruce wrote those tunes for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Because the way he explained those characters is Leo's and Brad's characters. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rizla Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 30 minutes ago, Big Steven said: because they had already been used in shows for a long time it felt by adding them that it took the shine off the albums they sat on. highlighting or at least raising the question that perhaps Bruce was running out of material and when you've grown up with an artist that has put so much effort into creating singular pieces of work with a narrative that fits it felt those songs on those albums cheapened them a little. if that makes sense. I didn't feel like that. I was pleased to get them. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobfan1976 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Daisey Jeep said: some of the hate of WOAD has died down (some of) the fan base is getting older i very much see WOAD and TOL and now WS as all being brothers WOAD is awful, most of the songs are mediocre at best. TOL has nothing in common with WOAD or WS in my opinion. Western Stars is a very, very good album, because it features (mostly) very, very good songs, and maybe one or two masterpieces; the storytelling in Moonlight Motel is songwriting at its absolute finest, and then the vocal/arrangement. Brilliant. The strings just enhance the album, especially if you like (which I do) that western sound. In fact, seeing Western Stars has made me dig out all those old western movies; I started with the remake of The Magnificent Seven today, tomorrow it's Pale Rider... That being said Drive Hard is a retread of The Wrestler, or any other of his down at luck character songs, I will never be able to enjoy Miracle or Sundown because that type of pop song just does nothing for me. I love the rest of the album though, even Sleepy Joe's Cafe, which, although inconsequential on its own, provides a little light relief. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobfan1976 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, 100yrsOld said: It does indeed, now I see what it's all about. HH actually is quite a mixed bag, more a collection of songs than actual 'album'. High Hopes still had The Wall, Hunter of Invisible Game, Frankie Fell In Love, American Skin, ok a lot of the rest are average to awful, but treat it as Tracks Disc 5 and it's actually pretty good. I rate it far higher than WOAD. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rosiejaneymary Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Captain Chaos said: Agreed - I personally thought The River RebootTour was the most pointless thing he’s done so far. I personally thought it was absolutely fantastic. I saw 6 amazing shows. Wish I could’ve seen 6 more. 3 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MacBruce Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Captain Chaos said: Agreed - I personally thought The River RebootTour was the most pointless thing he’s done so far. It was certainly the strangest tour he has ever done...even now I just can't make sense of it. Why didn't he tour the Born to Run or the Darkness boxset release ? There were some great shows on the 2016 tour and I was lucky to see two of them, but the whole thing at the time had me thinking it was the band'd farewell tour. Thankfully it would appear I was wrong. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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