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6 minutes ago, rosiejaneymary said:

Um... yeah.  He actually did.  

“President Obama's first inauguration was held during the depths of the Great Recession. The situation was dire; the economy had lost nearly 3.6 million jobs in 2008 and was shedding jobs at a nearly 800,000 per month rate when he took office.“

So no, Obama didn’t have ‘momentum’ from Bush.  

Hello RJM, isn't it great to talk about something important? Love hearing from you. 

But what did Obama do? He continued the Bush tax cuts. That his party totally disagreed with. 

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Just done with this thread.... I am afraid I'll get banned if I tell whats in my heart. I was beyond moved last night, and the true contents of the discussion of what it means will be discouraged

Per title.  So Bruce's haircut is pretty cool - Patti did a good job - and they both look well.  What do you all think about Bruce's haircut and how they're looking? 

I'm going to be brutally honest with you. Watching it made me cry at my office desk this morning. And I don't think that I'm an over-emotional wreck,  so I'd say the video is very efficient.   I

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23 minutes ago, Daisey Jeep said:

only Aickland is shut down and it iin stage 3 not stage 4 lockdown like before and cases of the virus in Auckland are starting to drop off now thank goodness

Wanganui and Dunedin and all the other important places are trucking along just fine Jimmy, ive even actually been into a shop two days in a row and i barely felt any anxixty at all ......till i saw a certain election bill board on my walk home (you can imangine who was on it )

 

How is your total economy going? Because lives are at stake. 

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20 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

That's because the top rate has been coming down. Check out the top tax bracket in 1960. Try 91%. Would any of us work if we gave away 91% of what we make.

People did work though, right? At the end of the day, people will get up and go to work. For the most part. 

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1 hour ago, Jimmy James said:

Hello RJM, isn't it great to talk about something important? Love hearing from you. 

But what did Obama do? He continued the Bush tax cuts. That his party totally disagreed with. 

Thank you JJ. 

Not exactly... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

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1 hour ago, MagicRatAFC said:

She's presented as a fairly impressive figure in what I've seen of her.

And it's kinda hard to argue with NZ's Covid numbers.

 

But, who knows.

 

It's a team-sport donchaknow.

in respect of not getting this thread edited more or shut down or me getting banned i cannot answer this as i would like

but no way in hell do i want them back in when we need economic recovery

plenty of things in the covid response have not gone at all well but geography is in our favour 

she listens to her advisors but they are the exact same scientific advisors that national would be listening to if they were running the show

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1 hour ago, Jimmy James said:

How is your total economy going? Because lives are at stake. 

Auckland is at 80% - it would have been 60% if they had a level 4 lockdown

the rest of the country is fine except for the tourism sector most hard hit is the south of the south island because that is where Queenstown etc is

its hurt because Aucklanders can't get out to spend their money out of Auckland but we don't want their germs.

 

 

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3 hours ago, MagicRatAFC said:

Yeah but she's a "socialist bitch"......... so whaddaya gonna do.................

that's not fair rat

im trying to play by the new rules and not get this thread locked 

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On 8/18/2020 at 3:39 AM, Silvia said:

Oh, the haircut is OK, but Patti has gained some weight, I think. 

She's in her 60s, it's bound to happen. 

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23 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

I was wondering, has anyone here changed their political views because of Bruce's views and or songs.

@WhereLoveRuled, I know you made a 180 since being here was it because of Bruce. 

It was because of Trump. I was a conservative, then a liberal, then a leftist. The two issues that really did it for me were the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and the military budget. I really came to see that Republican policy is not about benefitting the average American and hasn't been since Eisenhower.

As for Bruce, I don't think he ever really changed my thinking, he's opened my eyes a lot in many ways in the years listening to him, but when he was with #44 in the WOAD/WB era it annoyed me because I found Obama to be ineffective and better at orating than legislating. I think I understand that time a bit more fully knowing the circumstances surrounding it.

 

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2 hours ago, Jimmy James said:

I was wondering, has anyone here changed their political views because of Bruce's views and or songs.

 

No.

I discovered Bruce in '78. My political views formed in '79 when Thatcher The Heartless Witch took over. Was nice to see Bruce donate to the families of striking miners in '85 to help out in a catastrophe of Thatchers's making.

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8 hours ago, THUE said:

“we have it under control”

 “It’s going to disappear”

“It will go away”

“We have prevailed”

 

One more and we have side one of the next album. 

There’s enough material for a double album followed by a box set.

April 29th - “It’s gonna be gone”

June 17th - “It’s fading away”

July 19th - “I’ll be right eventually, because I’ve been right probably more than anyone else”

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2 hours ago, WhereLoveRuled said:

Also when the top tax rate is 91%, that does not mean you lose 91% of the money you make in a year! That's not how taxes work.

Exactly! And anyway, 9% of a couple of million is still worth having. 

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6 hours ago, Jimmy James said:

I was wondering, has anyone here changed their political views because of Bruce's views and or songs.

 

I haven't. But he has taught me a lot over the years. The one aspect worth mentioning the most is empathy. 

People need me/you/us to understand and sympathize with what they are going through to be able to either take action themselves or accept help. This is probably the most crucial element of empathy, or helping people in general. You basically have to be able to put yourself into someone else’s place 100%, and see their perspective. Otherwise it's poinless, futile.
 

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7 minutes ago, Silvia said:

I haven't. But he has taught me a lot over the years. The one aspect worth mentioning the most is empathy. 

I agree - but Bruce didn't have anything to do with me knowing this.

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On reflection, I don't believe that Bruce has taught me anything, be it positive or negative. Other than than the fact that there is probably no better live performer.

He certainly didn't teach me how to pronounce 'Orion' properly.

:unsure:

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7 hours ago, Jimmy James said:

I was wondering, has anyone here changed their political views because of Bruce's views and or songs.

I doubt someone really did. And it if that were the case, it would be rather sad, IMHO (unless the person in question is extremely young).

However, I think Bruce's role (or the role of any entertainer actively campaigning of a candidate) is to galvanise the party base, by making the candidate look somewhat cooler through his endorsement, and so bringing as many of his/her people as possible to vote on Election Day. 

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14 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

The one thing Bruce gave to me was with Why Hunger! I donate 5% of my wages to that organization.  

I'm not having a go at you here, but I am interested in why you are willing and happy to donate 5% of your income to a charity, but not to pay higher taxes. Is it because you don't trust the state to spend money wisely?

In my ideal world, there would be no need for charities to feed the hungry.

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6 minutes ago, whispered secret said:

I'm not having a go at you here, but I am interested in why you are willing and happy to donate 5% of your income to a charity, but not to pay higher taxes. Is it because you don't trust the state to spend money wisely?

In my ideal world, there would be no need for charities to feed the hungry.

In my ideal world there would be no need for taxes to have the government provide food for the citizens and charities would handle it. Alas, it’s not my ideal world.

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