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7 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

the alternative would set us in economic ruin. And if Ann truly believes what happens with our election will happen to the world. I fell sorry for the world.  

Is this based on your personal political beliefs/affiliation or fact?

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Just done with this thread.... I am afraid I'll get banned if I tell whats in my heart. I was beyond moved last night, and the true contents of the discussion of what it means will be discouraged

Per title.  So Bruce's haircut is pretty cool - Patti did a good job - and they both look well.  What do you all think about Bruce's haircut and how they're looking? 

I'm going to be brutally honest with you. Watching it made me cry at my office desk this morning. And I don't think that I'm an over-emotional wreck,  so I'd say the video is very efficient.   I

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

NO, Damn it!

Have you been reading mine and @SoulBoogieAlex conversations? No anger no name calling! Just different points of view.

Look, Trump is a DICK, an Asshole and very bad person. But the alternative would set us in economic ruin. And if Ann truly believes what happens with our election will happen to the world. I fell sorry for the world.  

You have misquoted me. I said what happens in your election effects us all. That is not the same as what happens to you necessarily happens to us. I was thinking more in terms of the environmental policies. 

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2 minutes ago, whispered secret said:

Can I just add my pennyworth about jobs. I don't know the detail of the employment situation in the US but over here there are jobs and there are jobs. The fragility of many peoples employment status has been laid bare by this pandemic - people on zero hours contracts, people supposedly 'self employed' when they really are not, short term contracts etc. 

What looked like full employment six months ago will not look like full employment six months hence. 

What really depresses me is the lack of imagination shown by politicians. There has to be a way out of this mess - more people working less hours, basic national income, real, worthwhile green projects, to name a few.

Governments, of whatever political persuasion,  have a duty of care to their citizens.

I don't understand how our stock market is doing it. But after being home now for the last couple of weeks, I understand, and it's not good. 

So our economy is truly in shambles. But the stock market is in record territory.  Shit Apple today hit $2 TRILLION in worth. But the trend is the bigger are getting bigger and pushing inside the smaller guy(Mom and Pop). These companies are recording better than expected earning by cutting jobs and production. This can't and will not continue. Hard Times come again. The only thing holding our economy up right now is the stock market, but is coming when it can't.  

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7 minutes ago, whispered secret said:

You have misquoted me. I said what happens in your election effects us all. That is not the same as what happens to you necessarily happens to us. I was thinking more in terms of the environmental policies. 

I apologize Ann.  

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9 minutes ago, Jertucky said:

Obama had positive momentum going from the Bush administration, who had positive momentum going from the Clinton administration who, of course, had positive momentum going from the Bush/Reagan administration, etc........ 

It’s all intertwined. No one party should ever be getting full credit or blame for the situation the country is at any particular moment.

Obama became president just after one of the biggest financial crisis of our time caused by a lack of oversight and regulation for the financial sector. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008
 

What I always admired in Bush jr is how he invited president elect Obama to come in and be a part of the team before he was to take office. Ironically it turned out to be one of the last truly bipartisan efforts. I really miss that attitude a president Bush had or a senator McCain had, where they were able to place nation interest over party interest.

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5 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

I don't understand how our stock market is doing it. But after being home now for the last couple of weeks, I understand, and it's not good. 

So our economy is truly in shambles. But the stock market is in record territory.  Shit Apple today hit $2 TRILLION in worth. But the trend is the bigger are getting bigger and pushing inside the smaller guy(Mom and Pop). These companies are recording better than expected earning by cutting jobs and production. This can't and will not continue. Hard Times come again. The only thing holding our economy up right now is the stock market, but is coming when it can't.  

And that's exactly what I hate. I have never really understood the stock market but these huge companies that just drive wages and costs down, pushing out smaller companies, just feels all wrong to me.

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13 minutes ago, JustDan said:

Is this based on your personal political beliefs/affiliation or fact?

Well from what I've heard from Biden/Harris, Trump has done a horrible job with C19. Their alternative is to shut down the whole economy. Like NZ. What happens from there? Plus the first thing out of Joe, is raising taxes. Only on the rich though. Right, it always comes down to the middle class. No growth, no way out.   

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2 minutes ago, whispered secret said:

And that's exactly what I hate. I have never really understood the stock market but these huge companies that just drive wages and costs down, pushing out smaller companies, just feels all wrong to me.

And that is why I always shop local whenever possible. 

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6 minutes ago, SoulBoogieAlex said:

Obama became president just after one of the biggest financial crisis of our time caused by a lack of oversight and regulation for the financial sector. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008
 

What I always admired in Bush jr is how he invited president elect Obama to come in and be a part of the team before he was to take office. Ironically it turned out to be one of the last truly bipartisan efforts. I really miss that attitude a president Bush had or a senator McCain had, where they were able to place nation interest over party interest.

The Bush administration warned congress over and over again about the Housing crisis at hand, but the economy was humming along that no one wanted to see. 

It's funny you have mentioned two republicans acting in a bipartisan way, yet no Democrats? :)   

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

Well from what I've heard from Biden/Harris, Trump has done a horrible job with C19. Their alternative is to shut down the whole economy. Like NZ. What happens from there? Plus the first thing out of Joe, is raising taxes. Only on the rich though. Right, it always comes down to the middle class. No growth, no way out.   

So, if I'm understanding your gist here, better to open up the economy at full tilt & if people get sick and die "it is what it is"?

I've said it before & I'll say it again... We LOSE either way. There is no win...none. That's not a "political" choice, it's reality.

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30 minutes ago, Jertucky said:

When I’m out in the street

oh oh oh oh oh

I take whatever I want to take

 

Ha!

Regardless of how people feel about Trump, the current generation of (violent) socialist progressives ain't exactly the "workin' man" that Springsteen was singing about...

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4 hours ago, Jimmy James said:

I hear Thunder Road, Born to Run, The Ghost of Tom Joad, Darkness on the Edge of Town, The Rising, Prove it All Night 9/20/78. What do you hear? 

As per my original post, I’m not informed enough on the American political system to comment so I’m going to refrain from doing so.

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1 minute ago, bobfan1976 said:

As per my original post, I’m not informed enough on the American political system to comment so I’m going to refrain from doing so.

I'd observe there's a difference between "hearing" and "listening".

 

Maybe it's a linguistic thing........or maybe it's not.

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33 minutes ago, whispered secret said:

And that's exactly what I hate. I have never really understood the stock market but these huge companies that just drive wages and costs down, pushing out smaller companies, just feels all wrong to me.

That'd be the unfettered free market.

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21 minutes ago, JustDan said:

So, if I'm understanding your gist here, better to open up the economy at full tilt & if people get sick and die "it is what it is"?

I've said it before & I'll say it again... We LOSE either way. There is no win...none. That's not a "political" choice, it's reality.

That'd be the unfettered free market.

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21 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

Well from what I've heard from Biden/Harris, Trump has done a horrible job with C19. Their alternative is to shut down the whole economy. Like NZ. What happens from there? Plus the first thing out of Joe, is raising taxes. Only on the rich though. Right, it always comes down to the middle class. No growth, no way out.   

Perhaps they were referring to the 172,000 Covid deaths in your country and the presidents pathetic early response to this crisis or suggesting injecting disinfectant as a treatment for Covid.

20th January - “we have it under control”

26th February - “It’s going to disappear”

10th March - “It will go away”

11th May - “We have prevailed”

And you have the audacity to criticise Jacinda Ardern - New Zealand death toll 22.

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1 minute ago, Brown Eyed Boy said:

 

And you have the audacity to criticise Jacinda Ardern - New Zealand death toll 22.

Yeah but she's a "socialist bitch"......... so whaddaya gonna do.................

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1 minute ago, bobfan1976 said:

Please explain further..

I would speculate that the poster who you quoted is possibly confusing the two.

 

But mebbe not.............

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

Well from what I've heard from Biden/Harris, Trump has done a horrible job with C19. Their alternative is to shut down the whole economy. Like NZ. What happens from there? Plus the first thing out of Joe, is raising taxes. Only on the rich though. Right, it always comes down to the middle class. No growth, no way out.   

I've got to comment on taxes. Income tax is the fairest way I can see of ensuring that all citizens are treated fairly.  If you earn the money, you pay the tax. I have never resented the taxes I have paid. I want good services not 1p off my tax.

As an aside, my nephew (the only high earner now in our family) is constantly being offered quasi legal deals to pay less tax, using off shore accounts and so on. To his credit, he always tells them to take a hike. Mind you, his nickname in the office is 'Red Sam'! 

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I will say I understand when people get annoyed at artists getting too party political; substitute Bruce for Bono and you immediately get the picture. I would also say one of the constant themes of Bruce’s music is sympathy for the underdog, the outcast, the unemployed, the employed but exploited, people who are trying to attain a better life, the ‘American Dream’...As to which party best represents that in 2020, I’ll leave for others to debate. Whether that is valid coming from the multi-millionaire rockstar who, by his own admission, has never held a ‘regular’ job in his life, and does get his money brought in in crates, is a whole other debate.

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