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6 minutes ago, bobfan1976 said:

I would also say one of the constant themes of Bruce’s music is sympathy for the underdog, the outcast, the unemployed, the employed but exploited, people who are trying to attain a better life, the ‘American Dream’...As to which party best represents that in 2020, I’ll leave for others to debate. Whether that is valid coming from the multi-millionaire rockstar who, by his own admission, has never held a ‘regular’ job in his life, and does get his money brought in in crates, is a whole other debate.

Somewhat relevant

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1 hour ago, Jimmy James said:

I don't understand how our stock market is doing it. But after being home now for the last couple of weeks, I understand, and it's not good. 

So our economy is truly in shambles. But the stock market is in record territory.  Shit Apple today hit $2 TRILLION in worth. But the trend is the bigger are getting bigger and pushing inside the smaller guy(Mom and Pop). These companies are recording better than expected earning by cutting jobs and production. This can't and will not continue. Hard Times come again. The only thing holding our economy up right now is the stock market, but is coming when it can't.  

The stock market isn't a true reflection of the economy, not at any point in time. 

Currently the Fed is propping it up with artifical low interest rates and the Feds making billions of dollars of purchases. 

The minute that changes, the investors will flee the stock market and it will return to a "correction" and much of the current profits will disappear in days.

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28 minutes ago, whispered secret said:

I've got to comment on taxes. Income tax is the fairest way I can see of ensuring that all citizens are treated fairly.  If you earn the money, you pay the tax. I have never resented the taxes I have paid. I want good services not 1p off my tax.

As an aside, my nephew (the only high earner now in our family) is constantly being offered quasi legal deals to pay less tax, using off shore accounts and so on. To his credit, he always tells them to take a hike. Mind you, his nickname in the office is 'Red Sam'! 

The same percentage across the board? Is the fairness way! 

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16 minutes ago, CmonMrTrouble said:

The stock market isn't a true reflection of the economy, not at any point in time. 

Currently the Fed is propping it up with artifical low interest rates and the Feds making billions of dollars of purchases. 

The minute that changes, the investors will flee the stock market and it will return to a "correction" and much of the current profits will disappear in days.

That's so true, but right now that the bond market is shit, there is no place for money to go but the stock market. And maybe that will change if the Fed changes course. ?

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1 hour ago, Jimmy James said:

It's funny you have mentioned two republicans acting in a bipartisan way, yet no Democrats?

As the last of the Mohicans ;) I mentioned Obama as well :ph34r:

The point I’m trying to make is, I would love to see a president and a Congress that’s working to better the people and towards a better Union.

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1 hour ago, SoulBoogieAlex said:

Obama became president just after one of the biggest financial crisis of our time caused by a lack of oversight and regulation for the financial sector. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008
 

What I always admired in Bush jr is how he invited president elect Obama to come in and be a part of the team before he was to take office. Ironically it turned out to be one of the last truly bipartisan efforts. I really miss that attitude a president Bush had or a senator McCain had, where they were able to place nation interest over party interest.

It’s all interconnected. Following the biggest financial crisis of our time makes it easy to turn the economy up, right? It’s all about how you want to spin it. 
Bush was largely a good and decent man. Same for Obama. Trump is largely not. The same goes for Clinton. At some point there will be a third party that will reside somewhere in the middle and I think the country will be better off for it.

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

The same percentage across the board? Is the fairness way! 

No, I think banding is fair. Everyone has a tax free allowance, everyone pays a certain percentage after the tax free allowance up to whatever ceiling is decided and then people pay a higher percentage above that ceiling. Can't see anything wrong with that. 

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1 minute ago, whispered secret said:

No, I think banding is fair. Everyone has a tax free allowance, everyone pays a certain percentage after the tax free allowance up to whatever ceiling is decided and then people pay a higher percentage above that ceiling. Can't see anything wrong with that. 

So the higher producers pay more? Why would one want to produce more? 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy James said:

So the higher producers pay more? Why would one want to produce more? 

Higher earners - they are not necessarily the same as producers. I am not advocating for them to pay 100% tax above whatever the ceiling is, so they still get to keep more than someone whose salary doesn't reach the ceiling.

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5 minutes ago, Jimmy James said:

So the higher producers pay more? Why would one want to produce more? 

It’s been going on forever. It doesn’t seem to have stopped people from striving to make more. I think there is a breaking point but I guess we haven’t hit it yet.

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8 hours ago, JustDan said:

Well, well....What do we have here?...

 

Facebook Flags Springsteen Pro-Biden Video as "False Information"

https://www.app.com/story/entertainment/music/2020/08/18/facebook-flags-bruce-springsteen-pro-biden-the-rising-video-false-information/3397995001/

i have seen some odd  things flagged by facebook that are perfectly fine

 

 

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3 hours ago, Jertucky said:

Good question. Why is politics always about sides? I’m not on either side. I have voted for Republicans and Democrats alike and I can tell you from the middle ground that it is increasingly about sides. 

I know two hearts are better than one, I know two political parties are better than one... 

But seriously, why are over 300 million people in the USA satisfied with only the two existing political parties? Because you can't even participate unless you have gazillion dollars in your pocket and a TV friendly appearance? 

We usually have at least 10 political parties at every election, they have 4 years to prove, if they aren't doing any good, they are out of the Parlament.

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2 hours ago, Jimmy James said:

Well from what I've heard from Biden/Harris, Trump has done a horrible job with C19. Their alternative is to shut down the whole economy. Like NZ. What happens from there? Plus the first thing out of Joe, is raising taxes. Only on the rich though. Right, it always comes down to the middle class. No growth, no way out.   

only Aickland is shut down and it iin stage 3 not stage 4 lockdown like before and cases of the virus in Auckland are starting to drop off now thank goodness

Wanganui and Dunedin and all the other important places are trucking along just fine Jimmy, ive even actually been into a shop two days in a row and i barely felt any anxixty at all ......till i saw a certain election bill board on my walk home (you can imangine who was on it )

 

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53 minutes ago, Jertucky said:

It’s been going on forever. It doesn’t seem to have stopped people from striving to make more. I think there is a breaking point but I guess we haven’t hit it yet.

That's because the top rate has been coming down. Check out the top tax bracket in 1960. Try 91%. Would any of us work if we gave away 91% of what we make.

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3 hours ago, Jimmy James said:

Oh wait let me guess, Obama inherited a horrible economy! 

Um... yeah.  He actually did.  

“President Obama's first inauguration was held during the depths of the Great Recession. The situation was dire; the economy had lost nearly 3.6 million jobs in 2008 and was shedding jobs at a nearly 800,000 per month rate when he took office.“

So no, Obama didn’t have ‘momentum’ from Bush.  

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1 hour ago, MagicRatAFC said:

Yeah but she's a "socialist bitch"......... so whaddaya gonna do.................

Re-elect her?

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14 minutes ago, Daisey Jeep said:

wow too many pages when i was asleep

this is a good thing

im very happy to see you all still here this morning 

 

Don't believe it, friend. Some are censured despite maintaining moderate and respectful positions. I do not know why.

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Just now, Silvia said:

Re-elect her?

She's presented as a fairly impressive figure in what I've seen of her.

And it's kinda hard to argue with NZ's Covid numbers.

 

But, who knows.

 

It's a team-sport donchaknow.

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