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43 minutes ago, audelish70 said:

I totally agree with this post. Knowing how TOL Tour setlists were I don't understand what some people want or expect. No more archive releases from this Tour or others? Only shows since 2005 onwards? The cancellation of the entire archive releases because it is boring and repetitive? They are roughly releasing one show per year of the main tours and especially the setlists of the shows of the 70s and the 80s will be repetitive. For instance, Uniondale, December, 28 features only one song not performed on 29 or 31 (Backstreets). Do you want they release this show or is it too repetitive to do it?  To add to your argument, the way the majority of the first set from 12/28, including the two tour debuts, is constructed differs significantly from the set construction of the next two shows and creates a different energy and show.  For instance, debuting Merry Christmas as an opener into Badlands creates a different energy/show than playing Xmas in the second set.  I was at 12/31 and 4/28/88 and the former blows away the later. In the opinion of many, 74-81 is the apex live performance era, so we “ want” the archive series to release more shows from that era, notwithstanding that Bruce is obviously shaping his legacy by the shows released so far, which is his call.    

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I genuinely don't get the complaints about repetition in the Archives. Even when the sets varied 'wildly' say 2013, they always drew from a bank of songs. Springsteen has never been an artist noted fo

I became a fan in 1989, and was only 10 when the ToL tour was happening. I didn't see Bruce live til 1993. To me, the ToL tour sees Bruce Springsteen at an artistic height. He's promoting an exce

Love any TOL release! Can never get enough of those wonderful horns! Such a great tour!

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4 hours ago, Nick21 said:

but ultimately they're not going to offer radically different setlists every month. 

Makes sense, but then the series becomes very niche because only the rabid completists are going to buy those shows with tons of repetition. 

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1 hour ago, el sergio said:

 

Thanks for you wonderful post. For those unhappy grumpy people:

 

Tnx for sharing. But I much prefer the Christic versions, which the AS has already blessed us with.

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1 hour ago, audelish70 said:

I totally agree with this post. Knowing how TOL Tour setlists were I don't understand what some people want or expect. No more archive releases from this Tour or others? Only shows since 2005 onwards? The cancellation of the entire archive releases because it is boring and repetitive? They are roughly releasing one show per year of the main tours and especially the setlists of the shows of the 70s and the 80s will be repetitive. For instance, Uniondale, December, 28 features only one song not performed on 29 or 31 (Backstreets). Do you want they release this show or is it too repetitive to do it?

To answer your Q, too repetitive so don't release it. They need to be more imaginative with this Archive Series.

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9 minutes ago, Promise61 said:

To answer your Q, too repetitive so don't release it. They need to be more imaginative with this Archive Series.

How many is too many becomes the question then, I guess. If it’s a choice between having, say, all of the LA 1988 and MSG 2000 stands or having only two shows from each, then I’ll take them all, please. 

Given how steady the 1977 set lists were (NIGHT / RENDEZVOUS/ SPIRIT / IT’S MY LIFE / THUNDER ROAD / MONA - SHE’S THE ONE / TENTH / ACTION then BTX / JUNGLELAND / ROSIE / BTR / QT3 throughout the tour) the Gerber tapes aren’t going to change much. 

I wish INC had been more proactive in getting these out - given the Rochester/Albany 1977 shows and Houston 1978 DVD/Blu-ray etc etc, it’s not as if they’ve been using multitracks and nothing more since they started properly opening up their vaults. But given what we know about they have, likely have and don’t have, there’s not huge amounts of wriggle room pre-2005. 

Perhaps the one thing they could do, especially when it comes to 1988, would be to release shows on video and audio. We know they have Rotterdam (and almost ready to go)... could they get those out there if they’re not being kept for a future box set?

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1 hour ago, dublinpaul said:

I completely agree that it’s about the small details that make every show unique. Do you think it will get to a point where there’s not enough people buying the shows for them to continue ? We’d really have something to complain about then. 

I think the target of the archive releases are the hardcore fans, that buy every or almost every concert released, plus casual fans, that buy specific shows for different reasons, for instance, to have attended the show. IMHO it would be a bit strange that someone that has bought all releases stops buying because some shows become repetitve. Maybe he skips any specific show but he keeps buying most of them. People who don't buy concerts and get them from other buyers are for me more dangerous to the continuity of the archive releases.

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52 minutes ago, Nick21 said:

How many is too many becomes the question then, I guess. If it’s a choice between having, say, all of the LA 1988 and MSG 2000 stands or having only two shows from each, then I’ll take them all, please. 

Given how steady the 1977 set lists were (NIGHT / RENDEZVOUS/ SPIRIT / IT’S MY LIFE / THUNDER ROAD / MONA - SHE’S THE ONE / TENTH / ACTION then BTX / JUNGLELAND / ROSIE / BTR / QT3 throughout the tour) the Gerber tapes aren’t going to change much. 

I wish INC had been more proactive in getting these out - given the Rochester/Albany 1977 shows and Houston 1978 DVD/Blu-ray etc etc, it’s not as if they’ve been using multitracks and nothing more since they started properly opening up their vaults. But given what we know about they have, likely have and don’t have, there’s not huge amounts of wriggle room pre-2005. 

Perhaps the one thing they could do, especially when it comes to 1988, would be to release shows on video and audio. We know they have Rotterdam (and almost ready to go)... could they get those out there if they’re not being kept for a future box set?

I've said before, early demos and outtakes should be included in the AS, as well as whatever Steel Mill and Bruce Springsteen Band stuff, even Castiles. If you're going to call it an Archive Series you might as well include everything.

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9 minutes ago, Promise61 said:

I've said before, early demos and outtakes should be included in the AS, as well as whatever Steel Mill and Bruce Springsteen Band stuff, even Castiles. If you're going to call it an Archive Series you might as well include everything.

I don't think they have anything from Castiles, Steel Mill or Bruce Springsteen Band eras. They haven't released any show prior to Born To Run era because they have nothing to be released. If in 1984 they recorded in multitrack only 4 shows when they were getting a huge success, what do you think they can have from the late 60s - early 70s when they haven't money and they didn't know if they could manage to make a living from playing music.

Regarding demos and outtakes, these are being released via Sony and I don't think this will change in the future. If they finally release Tracks 2 this year I think we'll get some of the stuff you refer. We should also keep in mind that Bruce has re-worked in the studio many of the outtakes before releasing them. Outtakes require a different work than these archive shows.

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55 minutes ago, Promise61 said:

I've said before, early demos and outtakes should be included in the AS, as well as whatever Steel Mill and Bruce Springsteen Band stuff, even Castiles. If you're going to call it an Archive Series you might as well include everything.

It was always billed as a live archive series - here’s the BTX report covering the launch in November 2014: http://backstreets.com/higher.html. I strongly suspect that’s also why NUGS were chosen to handle it: they specialise in archive concert recordings and live streaming of shows. 

As the BTX piece states, Sony and Columbia were involved in the creation of the series. But there’s next to no chance, as @audelish70referred to above, that they’d give up their rights to any studio work, whether it has been released or remains in the vaults. 

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If they were going to release another show from the Tunnel Tour then this is an ideal choice, as far as I'm concerned.

It's an upgrade from 4/23 in sound, most importantly, and replaces "Backstreets" (and its cheesy late 80s keyboard) with the rarely played "Across the Borderline".  The song needed to be represented as much as "Walk Like a Man", and thankfully 3/28 took care of that one, along with "Detroit Medley". 

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1 hour ago, audelish70 said:

I don't think they have anything from Castiles, Steel Mill or Bruce Springsteen Band eras. They haven't released any show prior to Born To Run era because they have nothing to be released.

I'd have to think they have the rest of the material from which the stuff on Chapter & Verse was taken, no? Plus the '73 show used for Bishop Danced on Tracks...

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Very simply...they don't have many recordings left from the 1970s and 1980s. Bruce and Columbia very stupidly made little effort to record concerts for much of his career. To me it is so weird he didn't appear on something like The Midnight Special in the 1970s. I think he made the argument that it would ruin the mystique of live shows (or that's what he thought at the time). What a completely bizarre opinion, frankly. 

From 1975 through 2003 there are only so many shows left to chose from unless they go the soundboard route, which they're clearly avoiding or we'd probably have something from 1976 at least. I'm also surprised we haven't seen something from the Amnesty Tour unless they can't get the rights to the recordings or something. 

There's a legit chance they only have one 1978 show left. 

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9 minutes ago, doesthisbusstop said:

How many shows are there still unreleased which were used for the live 75-85 box set? 

From the shows which where used for Live 1975-85 album we can still expect:

1980-12-28 Nassau Collisuem, Uniondale

1981 -07-06 Meadowlands Arena, East Rutherford

1981-07-08 Meadowlands Arena, East Rutherford

1984-08-19 Meadowlands Arena, East Rutherford

1985-08-19 Giants Stadium, East Rutherford

1985-08-21 Giants Stadium, East Rutherford

1985-09-30 L.A. Coliseum, Los Angeles

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23 hours ago, CM said:

why is Ain't Got You combined with She's the one?

clearly two different songs.

I agree, and you remind me that the opposite is the case on a widely circulated bootleg of 11/19/1984 Kansas City, on which the “Detroit Medley” is atrociously split by the author into separate tracks for each part of the medley.

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1 hour ago, BenT said:

Very simply...they don't have many recordings left from the 1970s and 1980s. Bruce and Columbia very stupidly made little effort to record concerts for much of his career. To me it is so weird he didn't appear on something like The Midnight Special in the 1970s. I think he made the argument that it would ruin the mystique of live shows (or that's what he thought at the time). What a completely bizarre opinion, frankly. 

From 1975 through 2003 there are only so many shows left to chose from unless they go the soundboard route, which they're clearly avoiding or we'd probably have something from 1976 at least. I'm also surprised we haven't seen something from the Amnesty Tour unless they can't get the rights to the recordings or something. 

There's a legit chance they only have one 1978 show left. 

How do you know this?

 

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14 minutes ago, Sean McNeill said:

How do you know this?

 

Plenty of sources in regards to this:

—> Toby Scott’s correspondence with a Laker (apologies for forgetting who it was who contacted him)

—> Thom Zimny at his various archive talks

—> Brad Sterling at NUGS in various blog posts, interviews and tweets 

—> Flynn McLean on the None But The Brave podcast

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8 minutes ago, Nick21 said:

Flynn McLean on the None But The Brave podcast

Yeah, he’s been fairly clear there’s not much more to choose from multi-track recordings. He could wrong - let’s hope so. 

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On 4/2/2021 at 12:07 PM, CM said:

I think the American leg of the TOL tour has been covered enough now. Next one hopefully Europe again.

Agreed but that second night in Mountain View would work nicely!

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On 4/2/2021 at 3:28 PM, CM said:

why is Ain't Got You combined with She's the one?

clearly two different songs.

Thats the best version ever dude! Don’t listen to the 78’ers out there haha

Regardless, he combining tunes is something he’s always been known for. 

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13 hours ago, bobfan1976 said:

I genuinely don't get the complaints about repetition in the Archives. Even when the sets varied 'wildly' say 2013, they always drew from a bank of songs. Springsteen has never been an artist noted for setlist unpredictability and that's definitely true of any tours before the Reunion. If fans want the Archive series to continue, they are going to have to accept that repetition will be integral to continuity.

For me, it's all about the small details. For example you could say well MSG'88 isn' t different on paper to Detroit '88 but if you don't pick up MSG '88 you aren't going to get the brilliant interpolation of Born to Be Wild in Light of Day, or the heartbreaking horn outro to One Step Up..If you pass up Detroit in favour of MSG '88 you're going to miss Walk Like A Man and an '88 Detroit Medley (which is great btw). Then you have the Euro leg with Stockholm and a totally different vibe, and more small additions like the intro to You Can Look...One of the things I like about the Reunion gigs is seeing what song Bruce will put into Light of Day, or how he's going to phrase the 'Take me to the river' section of Tenth Avenue. I also like playing the gigs in order, so LA '88 will also make me go back and revisit, Detroit, MSG, Stockholm. That's kind of what I get out of following the series, or enjoy about it. 

If that isn't enough for you, then following the Archives probably isn't for you. Now, you could argue that NUGS could make these tracks available individually, and there is some validity to that argument, but it isn't an approach NUGs are taking so; it is what it is

It’s funny you say that: I’ve seen over 120 shows and there have been times he just came out and played all sorts of different stuff and the show didn’t flow well, even if some of the songs weren’t played since Lincoln was President! 
 

The truth about this tour is that if you stick your head out the window you can probably still hear the encores going on! 
 

The shows on this tour - in and of itself - is probably the best they ever sounded and they were all in amazing shape as well! I miss this era. I saw three. 

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Anyone else feel they can see "Protection” before “Cover Me”, possibly moving "Roulette” down a notch while loosing "Seeds” or “Give The Girl A Kiss" instead of "I’m A Coward” out there?

So:

 

Tunnel, Be True, Adam, Two Faces (When Your Alone), Heaven, Darkness, Roulette, Protection, Cover Me, etc, etc

Tougher (Paradise By C), Ain’t/She’s The One, You Can Look, Give The Girl A Kiss, etc ....

 

Brad

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On 4/3/2021 at 11:58 AM, phantomengineer said:

Horns on Adam is like ketchup on prime rib. You can choke it down but that's not the way it's meant to be.

Post of the month !

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15 hours ago, bobfan1976 said:

I genuinely don't get the complaints about repetition in the Archives. Even when the sets varied 'wildly' say 2013, they always drew from a bank of songs. Springsteen has never been an artist noted for setlist unpredictability and that's definitely true of any tours before the Reunion. If fans want the Archive series to continue, they are going to have to accept that repetition will be integral to continuity.

For me, it's all about the small details. For example you could say well MSG'88 isn' t different on paper to Detroit '88 but if you don't pick up MSG '88 you aren't going to get the brilliant interpolation of Born to Be Wild in Light of Day, or the heartbreaking horn outro to One Step Up..If you pass up Detroit in favour of MSG '88 you're going to miss Walk Like A Man and an '88 Detroit Medley (which is great btw). Then you have the Euro leg with Stockholm and a totally different vibe, and more small additions like the intro to You Can Look...One of the things I like about the Reunion gigs is seeing what song Bruce will put into Light of Day, or how he's going to phrase the 'Take me to the river' section of Tenth Avenue. I also like playing the gigs in order, so LA '88 will also make me go back and revisit, Detroit, MSG, Stockholm. That's kind of what I get out of following the series, or enjoy about it. 

If that isn't enough for you, then following the Archives probably isn't for you. Now, you could argue that NUGS could make these tracks available individually, and there is some validity to that argument, but it isn't an approach NUGs are taking so; it is what it is

This is exactly why i have every river 2016 tour show.

On paper they looked very similar even identical but even the album songs had subtle changes each night and it was like listening to evolution the way the show grew and changed 

In my dreams one day i will listen to all of 1978 

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